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19-05-2009, 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by labradork View Post
Yes, I can see that working. Not much use if you are out and about though.

No, indeed ! I was really lucky that day, because Hal was seriously bitten. He was on the chain on our drive, snoozling in the sun whilst I pottered around watering pots etc. This bloody dog just comes onto our drive as calm as you please and attacks my dog !!

And, according to the owner, MY dog was vicious and uncontrollable !!
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19-05-2009, 12:28 PM
Originally Posted by pupsandpets View Post
Makes you want to carry a fire hose with you .. lol
Now that would just be silly! as I was reading that I was thinking to myself I wonder if we have the big water gun still in the shed that I bought hubby for his 40th... I could carry it on my back.

Seriously though - although it makes sense, in honesty I don't know if I could stand back even if I was going to get bitten.
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19-05-2009, 12:28 PM
Originally Posted by labradork View Post
Yes, I can see that working. Not much use if you are out and about though.
Water pistols can be very handy, or a squirty bottle of water, and not too hassley to have to carry.

Perhaps something Leo's owner might find handy ! I have this sad mental picture of poor Leo being attacked, and sitting there looking all bemused, bless him.
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19-05-2009, 12:31 PM
Whenever Jess has been attacked I have always, and will always go to break up the fight. Even when dogs I have been with who aren't my dogs start to fight, I will ALWAYS, no matter what breed of dog go and break the fight up. I WON'T under any circumstances leave dogs to sort it out themselves.

When Jess was attacked by a GSD the other week, I tried grabbing hold of the scruff of its neck (I won't kick a dog to get it off - just something I don't believe in, but see why people do it) but it kept moving out of the way, so I picked the GSD up until its owner got hold of it.

When a smaller dog attacked Jess, (Jess is "great" when being attacked by another dog as she doesn't retaliate which means I can solely focus on the other dog) I made myself as big as possible (i.e sort of spread out so I looked much bigger) and ran in to break up the fight, but the dog saw me coming and let go.

When another smaller dog has attacked Lennox (another GSD), his owner was nowhere to be seen so I again had to sort this one out myself (in almost all of the fights I have broke up the other dogs owners have been kak and not done anything to help). Fent (Lennox's owner) got hold of Lennox's collar (Lennox will stick up for himself) and I got hold of the little dogs collar and removed it from the situation. I walked it by its collar out of the part of the woods (we were near the entrance of the woods) but as I was approaching the entrance, it started growling at me and gave me the "if you don't let go I'm going to bite" eyes, so I let go of the collar, but I made myself big and authorative and with energy (sounds all Cesar Milan, but it was purely down to energy and the fact that the dog sensed I wasn't allowing it near the dogs again) I backed it out of the woods and we didn't see it again.

So... I guess in answer to the question after my ramblings, in my opinion, I will always break up a dog fight with my hands and the dogs scruffs (or picking it up lol, its amazing what you can lift with adrenalin running through your body).
I personally don't fear for myself much as I will recover mentally (not physically, but that will come in time) much quicker than a dog, so I am willing to risk getting bitten for the sake of the dogs.

I don't personally believe in using items (be it your feet, sticks etc etc) to break up dog fights, but I can see why people do this and won't ever hold it against someone if they do it this way. Just not my personal preference in ways of breaking it up.
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19-05-2009, 12:31 PM
Originally Posted by Tillymint View Post
Now that would just be silly! as I was reading that I was thinking to myself I wonder if we have the big water gun still in the shed that I bought hubby for his 40th... I could carry it on my back.

Seriously though - although it makes sense, in honesty I don't know if I could stand back even if I was going to get bitten.

You're a brave girl Tillymint, but honestly, be careful, there are some nutty owners out there with totally unsocialised dogs ... luckily there are also thousands of lovely owners with wonderful dogs too.

I've got a wonderful water pistol that I bought in Toys R Us called a Super Squirter. You fill the tank up with water, and pump this handle up and down a few times so that pressure is built up. when you press the trigger, you get a really good jet of water come out just right for targeting a marauding dog's bumhole ! It works a treat, and no harm done !
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19-05-2009, 12:36 PM
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Whenever Jess has been attacked I have always, and will always go to break up the fight. Even when dogs I have been with who aren't my dogs start to fight, I will ALWAYS, no matter what breed of dog go and break the fight up. I WON'T under any circumstances leave dogs to sort it out themselves.

When Jess was attacked by a GSD the other week, I tried grabbing hold of the scruff of its neck (I won't kick a dog to get it off - just something I don't believe in, but see why people do it) but it kept moving out of the way, so I picked the GSD up until its owner got hold of it.

When a smaller dog attacked Jess, (Jess is "great" when being attacked by another dog as she doesn't retaliate which means I can solely focus on the other dog) I made myself as big as possible (i.e sort of spread out so I looked much bigger) and ran in to break up the fight, but the dog saw me coming and let go.

When another smaller dog has attacked Lennox (another GSD), his owner was nowhere to be seen so I again had to sort this one out myself (in almost all of the fights I have broke up the other dogs owners have been kak and not done anything to help). Fent (Lennox's owner) got hold of Lennox's collar (Lennox will stick up for himself) and I got hold of the little dogs collar and removed it from the situation. I walked it by its collar out of the part of the woods (we were near the entrance of the woods) but as I was approaching the entrance, it started growling at me and gave me the "if you don't let go I'm going to bite" eyes, so I let go of the collar, but I made myself big and authorative and with energy (sounds all Cesar Milan, but it was purely down to energy and the fact that the dog sensed I wasn't allowing it near the dogs again) I backed it out of the woods and we didn't see it again.

So... I guess in answer to the question after my ramblings, in my opinion, I will always break up a dog fight with my hands and the dogs scruffs (or picking it up lol, its amazing what you can lift with adrenalin running through your body).
I personally don't fear for myself much as I will recover mentally (not physically, but that will come in time) much quicker than a dog, so I am willing to risk getting bitten for the sake of the dogs.

I don't personally believe in using items (be it your feet, sticks etc etc) to break up dog fights, but I can see why people do this and won't ever hold it against someone if they do it this way. Just not my personal preference in ways of breaking it up.
I was avoiding the CM words like the plague Jenn for fear of kicking off a bitch fight !! But you said it, so yes, if you can do that lightening fast swoop downwards from above on the collar and scruff and pull with equally lightening speed, then fine, but I can't, I'm too old and wobbly on my pins. And I wouldn't kick a dog unless I absolutely had to because it was seriously hurting me ... I would hate you to think that I do such a thing for not much reason. I can't actually recall ever kicking a dog, simply because I have never been attacked. But if I were, I would not hesitate if it meant my ankle or the dog's hurt pride !

I agree with you regarding items ... except for water. It really does work, whether it be a hose, a water pistol or a bucket of water.

You're a brave girl too parting fighting GSDs !
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19-05-2009, 12:37 PM
Whatever you do please don't scream. This actually makes the attacker worse as it goes into prey mode, because it thinks the screaming is from wounded prey and it eggs it on. If your dog lies down and shows its tummy, it is showing submission, whatever you do don't try and drag it away, the attacking dog will give it 'permission' to move, if it hasn't given permission and the dog tries to move the attacker will have another go at it, so just try and be quiet and calm,ordering the attacker to sit sometimes works as well. I really don't think pulling a dog by the tail is a good idea, as you are going the right way to get bitten yourself. Lifting the back legs is better as it can't get to you then.
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19-05-2009, 12:40 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher View Post
You're a brave girl Tillymint, but honestly, be careful, there are some nutty owners out there with totally unsocialised dogs ... luckily there are also thousands of lovely owners with wonderful dogs too.

I've got a wonderful water pistol that I bought in Toys R Us called a Super Squirter. You fill the tank up with water, and pump this handle up and down a few times so that pressure is built up. when you press the trigger, you get a really good jet of water come out just right for targeting a marauding dog's bumhole ! It works a treat, and no harm done !
The thing is I'm not brave at all - just feel similar to the throwing myself in front of a bus to save my child example - if you get my meaning.

The water gun sounds similar to my hubby's lol. he used to terrorise the kids with it.
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19-05-2009, 12:41 PM
Hello Tawneywolf !!

I agree with everything you say, except for the tail ! They can't bite you any more easily than if you grab their back legs, honest ! I did this with Hal a couple of times when although it would be unfair to accuse him of being the aggressor, he was nonetheless fighting too rough and I needed to remind him. You don't pull hard, more like just grab it when there is a fraction of a pause in the fighting.
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19-05-2009, 12:42 PM
Originally Posted by Tillymint View Post
The thing is I'm not brave at all - just feel similar to the throwing myself in front of a bus to save my child example - if you get my meaning.

The water gun sounds similar to my hubby's lol. he used to terrorise the kids with it.
I used to take mine to work sometimes ! I had a boss who would squirt me with his water pistol if I had done something stupid ... so I went to Toys R Us and bought my super squirter !! We had an amazing water fight one day ... much to the amusement of a client sitting in Reception !!
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