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View Poll Results: Should dog agressive dogs be allowed to attend normal dog classes?
Yes, they have the right to training the same as the next dog! 47 63.51%
No, its not fair on the other dogs! 27 36.49%
Not really bothered either way! 0 0%
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tawneywolf
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12-09-2006, 10:25 AM
I think that if dog aggressive dogs don't do 'normal' classes they will never learn to be properly socialised. As long as everyone is aware of the problem and it is not a big secret that agressive dog will learn how to behave properly and its owner will learn how to ensure the dog behaves.
I often find that dogs in training class are agressive to my 2 even though they are still young, this is usually a smaller dog, and it turns out then that it is actually the owner who is worried about the proximity of my 2 to their smaller dog.
Left to their own devices these dogs would probably play happily with my 2, but due to the owner's worries transferring themselves onto their dog the dog then becomes agressive.
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12-09-2006, 10:30 AM
Originally Posted by jess View Post
can't vote on this one.


I think the ban should be for barkers, as they are far more off putting when you are trying to work and can't get your dog to hear you! (luckily I use hand signals too).
I understand that barkers are very annoying but this dog staring at Loki was winding him up and making him bark, Loki does bark alot but I have been working hard with him to stop this and he was doing much beter but this other dog set this back alot last night! Loki is going through a teenage phase and his barking is I believe largly attributed to this, this is the time when he most needs training should he have to miss out because he is reactiing to another dogs postering and staring at him setting his training backwards?

Originally Posted by jess View Post
lol!

I think more responsibility should lie with the instructors to be honest. I see people making mistakes in class, and they are obviously there to learn, there should be enough instructors to spot this, or fewer people allowed in the class at once. It's basically come as you please. Could be better.
I agree the responsibility lies with the instructor and in all fairness to my instructor she was very over careful with the situation and controlled it very well, I think mostly I was just unfortunate to be at the end of the row nearest to the extreamly dog agressive dog, if we had of been up the other end loki would probably not even have noticed him! Its just a bit off putting having to be so careful where you stand and how close other peoples dogs are to yours, I much prefered the relaxed atmophere, dog wise, of the puppy class where all the dogs were friendly and had a nice socialisation at the begining of the class!
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12-09-2006, 10:40 AM
As long as they are under control and are not able to attack other dogs and the trainer is trained to work with aggressive dogs I don't see why not. They need to be socialised and desensitised to work other dogs and vice versa.
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12-09-2006, 10:47 AM
My opinion is it is not fair to put other dogs at risks or cause them fear. I'm not saying there should only be classess full of aggressive dogs but they should have special tuition as should their owners.
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12-09-2006, 10:59 AM
I'm with Tawneywolf and Lucky Star. I think it's important that these dogs are placed into such an environment so that they become desensitized and learn that not all other dogs are threats. I also think it's helpful for the 'normal' dogs to be placed into the same arena as aggressive dogs too, so that their already presumably good behaviour gets strengthened.
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12-09-2006, 11:25 AM
Its very interesting to see everyones view we're exactly half and half at the moment. Mostly I started this thread because I was under the impretion that dog agressive dogs wernt allowed in most training classes but that obviously isnt the case! There have been some very good issues raised! I agree for dog agressive dogs with a good trainer it can do them alot of good, but I think perhaps they should have done some work one to one with a trainer before being able to join the class so they are a bit beter then they were and the owners know how beter to handle them and deal with it.
I also think the number of dog agressive dogs in a class should be limited other wise it just gets silly and when the dog agressive dogs out weigh the non agressive ones they dont get the socialisation from the class either and thats one of the things I take Loki to classes for
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12-09-2006, 11:44 AM
I'd like to do something like this with Loki as he is aggressive but I'd be afraid everyone there would hate me .
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12-09-2006, 11:52 AM
It's a really difficult one.

I personally think that dog aggressive dogs need some one to one attention before being introduced into a group situation. I don't think a class full of dog aggressive dogs will help fix any problems but more likely make them worse. I also don't think it is particular fair to have a very dog aggressive dog in a normal class situation where it may distract or, worse still, frighten other dogs to the point where they may even become fear aggressive themselves towards other dogs.

I think the key lies with good instructors who know their classes and the dogs personalities and what each dog/class can cope with and also it is very important that the instructors have expertise in dealing with dog aggression. It is also incredibly important IMO to limit the numbers of dogs in each class.

So, I am sitting on the fence a bit on this one.
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12-09-2006, 12:07 PM
Originally Posted by Lucky Star View Post
I'd like to do something like this with Loki as he is aggressive but I'd be afraid everyone there would hate me .
Maybe you could call around local classes speak to the instructors explain the situation see what they say they may be happy for you to take him to the class or they may say they would rather work on his dog agression first but you may find a class to suit you, I certainly wouldnt dislike someone because theyre dog is dog agressive, only if they are purposely causing the agression or encouraging it or being unresponsible about keeping their dog safely under control!

I always explain Loki's personality before bringing him to a class as he is quite over excited in a new environment and is going through a vocal phase, so far no trainer has said this is a problem, generally I get the comment 'Typical toller then!' butI think if your honest and the trainer is happy then you will be fine!
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12-09-2006, 12:20 PM
my sam can be dog aggressive but hasn't been for ages now. i carry his muzzle with me all the time just in case. i think with him (and my instructor feels the same), that he just doesn't know the rules yet and is being teenagerish! if it weren't for the training classes he would have gone back long ago. so i feel any dog should be allowed to attend obedience classes so long as it doesn't distrupt the class too much.
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