No, must have been somebody else.......

No it was you

Not sure how you have jumped the conclusion that the Lab had a poor temperament and was poorly trained? I'm guessing the temperament of the dog must have be assessed for it be accepted for Army service dog training.

Which begs the question, surely there is always an element of risk when you teach a dog to bite even in a controlled manner? no dog being 100% predictable and all...

oh BTW I have list of everyone that attended that seminar. I remember you questioning me on here when I said I disliked the training methods electric collars, pinch collars, electric sleeves and said you attended and found nothing wrong.

You attended as as spectator with no dog. Surely you remember

I would imagine all army dogs are assessed for temperament and drive. Indeed, they take quite a lot of 'failed' guide dogs. Awful story Dawn.

I cannot in all honesty comprehend the appeal of a PP trained dog. I think they are accidents waiting to happen. I also do not differentiate between the numpties who do it themselves and some people who do it who are essentially pet owners but think they know it all. Both are dangerous IMO.

Abbie perhaps you could search for the thread
and put up a link to clarify? Check through
The list of your posts or dona general search for
keywords?

http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php?t=135569&page=66

Hmmm, could you say what was so awful about this seminar because I attended it (as an observer) and did not see anything horrible happen to any of the dogs?

(That is not to say I am a supporter of E collars, but as I was present during the whole weekend and a) there were very few dogs used and b) of those not all had e collars on!

The type of training I've attended in the past, did not teach manwork like that, so I can only assume somewhere, something down the line has gone very wrong with the training. The manwork classes I attended were trained in a positive way, the sleeve is the reward, and if the dog gets the exercise right, they get the sleeve. It is easy to muck up a dog if you try and train manwork yourself with little/no experience, but that doesn't mean its the dog that's at fault

Not sure about this, as the Army take GSDs at least that have proven too aggressive for police work.

No - I cannot understand wanting to buy one in, but I can easily comprehend wanting to teach my own dog. I enjoy the training part, I always have. Although I am not really one for competing.

I do think that the latter part of your sentence is interesting, I guess it is the thinking behind BSL, people believed that the dogs that have been bred for particular uses are just that.

I agree that it can appeal to the wrong people, but does that make it fair to ban it all together? Again - compare to SBTs - they appeal to the wrong types of people, but does that make it fair to ban the breed from the people who are responsible?