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Originally Posted by
mcgregorkh
Oh you're talking about the time I made a mistake ooh must be nearly 2 years ago and I apologised for that at the time, but back then you didn't say it nicely you were very nasty, and wouldn't let that drop either. In fact I kept away from the site for months and months, because I thought it was a nasty site if thats the response from a genuine mistake. Not had one complaint yet which is what I told you in the PM if I remember correctly. Still waiting then, Christ they must be really upset with me NOT.Many of the breeders are not friendly I am not in their league so not worthy of much more than a hello or a nod of recognition. Which again I think I mentioned back in the good old days when you threatened me with them. If they were annoyed they would have said something and ripped me to pieces.
Yes the thyroid
testing has only been made known to me recently and several breeders are doing it and so will I.
Neck scoring nope never heard of that one I admit it but then seeing as I have only been into dobes for nearly 4 years hardly surprising is it and it seems that it was just all the rage until vWD according to you, so a long time ago. And no again I don't know of any breeders whose dogs are neck scored. You know several out of how many hundreds of dobes??? Hardly a big cause for concern if no-one is doing it at all, but if it becomes a recommended test by the experts then it will be done.
The volunteering comes from your post You can't contribute to the research unless they are 5 years old. My dog had his heart checked and it was fine, and yes I am aware that it can change overnight (according to my vet that is.) When my dog is 5 he will go onto the programme. He is a blood donor for pet blood bank.
No matter how hard you try to pick fault with my breeding ethics you won't be able to Dawn. You patronise me by saying how can I be a breeder if I haven't bred much and say I don't practice what I preach. The reason I haven't bred much is because I do practice what I preach and am very particular who my dog goes to.
So when are you going to preach to the breeders who are breeding umpteen litters a year from vicious dogs and putting their dogs to nearly anyone who wants to use it? Why don't you take a look at Stud your dog.com see the breeders (relatively well known) who are saying that the bitch doesn't even have to be KC registered or hip scored and have a go at them? Somehow I don't think you will.
This has gone on long enough I'm sure if anyone is reading it then they will be bored to tears.
You might not like me and my opinions but this was meant to be a thread about tails and you have turned it around once again to moaning about dobermanns and have the audacity to question my ethics when that is not what this thread was about.
My apologies to people for getting involved in the argument.
Karen, I am not picking fault with your breeding, you havent done any!! As I said I am extremely disheartened with the Dobe world at present, to watch this magnificent breed crumble in front of you is heart breaking, I hope you never have to see it, because if you do I can guarantee you will be damn harsh on those who plead ignorance and say "I didnt know"
Yes I did have several well known Dobe people point out that you openly advertise your Dog on sites, sites which are frowned upon by many responsible breeders, but I do agree if that was the mistake and it no longer happens, then of course everyone makes a mistake.
Hypothyroidism has been in Dobermanns for many years. I had talks with Carol Smith some years ago about the possibility of HypoT (shorter to spell
) being connected to DCM, testing for HypoT has been done for at least 8yrs by many people. DCM testing yes, the free contributing is done at 5, (my mistake for not making myself clear) BUT, most responsible breeders test each year, this is a HUGE killer in Dobes as I am sure you are aware. Many breeders are also testing for HypoT each year too.
If you speak to long standing breeders and exhibitors about "Wobblers" Im sure they will tell you how bad it is and that scoring was done extensively. VWD has become the new "rage" for want of a better word and thankfully so, as this is a disease that can be eradicated in a few generations will responsible testing and breeding. I apologise for wrongly assuming you knew about these conditions.
Re the IRresponsible breeders. Yes I agree with you there, which is why I would welcome temperament AND health testing before breeding, sadly I doubt the ones that breed for nothing more than profit will care either way, a non registered pup will only cost them a few quid less in a sale.
So I do think we agree on "some" things, and I never questioned your breeding ethics, just your advertising of your dog at public stud on "some" sites.
Re the breeders not being friendly, its because you are not in the "clique"
you know, if the face fits etc... thats in all breeds too, and sometimes its not what you show its who you know!!