One thing that is without question is that his EXPLANATIONS are all wrong, though for some reason you antis refuse to acknowledge this. I've also dispute that any so-called (+) trainer would kick or hang a dog to exhaustion.

Meaning wrong, made up, bordering on supernatural, often religious nonsense.


The ends justify the means.

Not at all. I haven't asked wys to put herself out to answer any questions for me. There's nothing I want from her. It's the other way around

I saw this episode, when the cheese did not do the trick he resorted to jabbing the dog. As a rabid anti, I wouldn't expect you to remember that part.

It was a good post,
I haven't yet seen him work with food treats, perhaps next time i see him, I will catch one of those programmes

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I have just read the pack dogs histories on CM's website.

Only 3 or 4 of them are/were aggressive dogs. Most were young dogs or pups when he took them on.

He doesn't do a lot for the pitbull image by marvelling at a group of three living happily together either!

It isn't difficult to introduce a screwed up dog into a stable group.

I find myself having less admiration for him than I did before.

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Scarter, I have tried reading your answers, already, which is why I've asked. I'm not a lazy poster

I am surprised that you choose to write a post commenting on what I may say to clients, and yet you cannot have the courtesy to return the compliment I pay you, of remaining polite and commenting where I can, and replying to your post!

I am wondering if this is because you have got yourself confused and cannot answer.

I'll have another re-read of your posts when I have a moment and then say what i think you've said about methods; you will then be free to comment or not.

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Yes I'd definitely dispute that.
If they do, they are no way positive trainers, at all.

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Sorry Scarter but I think you are being rude to Wys who was asking a valid question

The way you post makes it sound like you are saying positive training didnt work for you
But then when questioned it seems the methods you are using now that are working are what most of us would consider to be positive training

I think terms are muddled up here so I will clarify what I - and I think many positive trainers mean by positive and negative

Reward - something that makes the behaviour more likely to happen
Punishment - something that makes the behaviour less likely to happen (not just hitting or pinning or agression - could just be if dog jumps up he stops getting attention)

Positive - something added
Negative - something taken away

Positive reward - dog does something something good happens - makes the dog more likley to do it again
Negative reward - dog does something and bad things stop happening - ear pinch lessens, choke chain releases

Positive punishment - Dog does something and something bad happens to it, dog chews book, you shout at dog
Negative punishment - Dog does something and good things go away - as above where dog bounces up and stops getting fuss


Positive training tends to be a balance of positive reward and negative punishment

Lots of what you see on CM is Negative reward and positive punishment - if the tssstt, foot tap, hand bite or whatever make a dog less likely to do what it was doing then it is considered punishment
Example is shadow, he barks at another dog and CM applies positive punishment by foot tapping, shadow starts lunging and struggling, CM uses negative reward - only slackening the lead when Shadow stops lunging


Note - if something you are using as punishment +ve or -ve isnt causing the behaviour to become less then it is not effective punishment it is nagging or abuse and you should stop and think the problem better

If you take part in a forum and make a lot of strong comments, it's best if people understand exactly where you are coming from. No offence but the posts where you discuss training, trainers, CM and so on are sometimes in places, vague. I don't mean to be rude, and I am sorry if it sounds that way, but it is true - I'm not the only person unsure as to your meaning after all.


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Out of interest, can anyone enlighten me as to what rubbing a person's bumps means?

I am wondering if it refers to the brain, but it's a wild guess

Apparently I am not due the courtesy of an explanation. No problem, but I am wondering what it is as my first thought was, I have to say, rubbing the mammary area! which I am sure it is not!

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