i also a agree dawn ........

I am sooooooooo serious you ask anyone on here i really DON'T DEBATES :smt002 ,...............i really haven't seen anything like that at all

I am as sensitive at people views as anyone could be so picking your views apart
i really don;t think so :smt002

Alpha rolling comes directly from the Artificial Captive pack studies, it shows that the person using it is using this now debunked studies & has based their methods on the theory that wolf & wild dog behaviour can be applied to domesticated dogs

He Alpha Rolled a bulldog & got bitten in the process, the later used a pinch collar on it to enforce submission.

Wolves, wild dogs, street dogs & domesticated dogs do not Alpha Roll each other

Just an addition for those of you who don't think CM bases his methods on Artifical Captive Wolf behaviour I've just heard him say "He needs a wolf pack leader to dominant him " This is in reference to a beardie barking whilst a guy was playing the guitar Both the owner & the boyfriend were laughing when the dog was barking as they found the whole thing funny

He is using the Illusion collar & the fixed tight slip lead under the ears & blamed the owner for the dog being aggressive(which he wasn't)towards a Vizsla that was barking & growling at him

Great question!
I'd suggest an easy one for starters, such as Gwen Bailey's "What is my dog thinking?" £9.99 approx.

Lots of photos and good if basic knowledge given - a great initial guide for pet owners.

I'd then suggest studying Turid Rugaas' site and if possible getting her dvd, which shows a lot of body language and communication

http://www.canis.no/rugaas/onearticle.php?artid=1

and also studying alongside with books such as Roger Abrantes "Dog Language".

An excellent book is Brenda Aloff's "Canine Body Language - a photographic guide" which is very good as there are so many photos in there showing the minute detail in what dogs are expressing. I was given this luckily by a friend as it's not cheap

There are also some good courses such as the one by Sarah Whitehead, http://www.thinkdog.org/courses_tlk.html
who used to work with the late John Fisher.

It's also a matter of going out there and studying dogs, really taking the time to look at them and put what you've learnt into practice :smt001

Wys
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Hi Yes I agree that could be an option. I've studied dog body language for many years now and i'll eat my hat if I'm not right about the fear and stress. I can see how others may feel there is none.
This subject coincidentally was being discussed on a US list today and it was pointed out that people can see dogs being still and quiet as a good thing, the dog being calm etc, but often it's something very small that gives away that the dog is actually very scared. Not everyone will be able to see that. I hope that comes across OK as it's very easy for everyone to get their backs against the wall in this kind of discussion and end up being ultra extreme!


Wires crossed somewhere!
No, the dog fighters don't use his methods; the local trainers prefer to use desensitising the dogs and gain success that way. I mentioned it to show that his way is not the only way of helping fighting dogs, or ex fighters, tis all

Wys
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Went to one of her seminars Wys. Wasnt impressed at all, common sense most of it, wouldnt want to listen to her again.

Some time ago Jennie posted this video featuring CM and Ellie a very sweet Pit Bull Terrier who was supposedly a 'dog aggressive' dog. CM advocated the best course of action to stop the behaviour was to pin this dog to the ground.

I watched the video and from the dogs body language I would say this was a friendly / exuberant/excitable/untrained PBT which needed training, exercise, and socialising with other dogs , I did notsee a dog aggressive dog. Note the way the owner handles the dog, I would say his handling and 'excited tone' of voice contribute to the over excitement the dog displays.

It may be that CM used this particular dog even though it wasn't as he suggested 'dog aggressive' to illustrate a point, or perhaps he is unable to observe a dog and read its body language, either way it is misleading. I can't see what possible effect swinging a dog round on a lead then rolling it over could have on a dog if it was dog aggressive except to make it human aggressive too.

There is a brief warning lasting a couple of seconds for people not to follow this technique themselves . If any member of the public watched this video and tried the technique on the wrong dog they could be badly bitten ....


http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=a79c1025-1fdb-44f2-9d3a-9307dc4021bf&f

Many years ago my Kennel Manager tried to tell me the best way to train a dog was to give it a good thrashing with a piece of hose pipe (which wouldn't leave a mark) then to pin it to the floor with your knee until it was unable to breath so it learnt who was boss. I refused to do this and found my own way to train the dogs/was taught by others (he was soon out of a job when the kennel owner got to hear of his methods) . Many years later I read the books by John Fisher, Ian Dunbar, Jean Donaldson and others (later Turid Rugaas' )who use similar methods to those I used based on patience/constancy and common sense.
Others can try brute force to train dogs if they must, I will never advocate this type of training it is not for me.

I love ceasar he is my hero,I agree with all his methods and think they work,he isnt cruel at all, the dogs are not scared of him.

but those collars.. ouch!

I watched the video Mini, couldnt see a scared dog at all. Pinning it down didnt hurt it nor scare it, it didnt try to tun, it wasnt fearful of him.
Dawn.