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14-10-2010, 10:37 PM
Originally Posted by Tupacs2legs 
... just an observation.... the three people on this thread that want /advise to use a 'tool' on a 6 month old puppy are male.. is it a patience thing?.. honest question.
And the OP is apparently training to be a dog trainer/behaviourist.
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14-10-2010, 10:50 PM
Originally Posted by JIMMY LAW
Yeah, i dont put anytime into my dogs, i find that quite insulting.
I don't argue that you may have spent the time----just that you have been doing the wrong things in that time. Especially if you have used a citronella collar for a year!
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14-10-2010, 10:55 PM
Originally Posted by JIMMY LAW
Gun dogs, scent hounds are well known for doing this gross behaviour, but if i can reduce it with a whoosh of air whats the difference with you shouting leave and permanetley on their case. The dog does not no where its coming from, at no point does the dog know its coming from you, and thats why it works, because the dog can only recognise the spray with the the poo.
I have had several dogs who do it or did it and its not nice but generally doesn't harm them at all---in fact horse/cow/sheep is second hand vegetation.
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14-10-2010, 11:57 PM
Citronella, Tabasco, grapefruit juice...all designed to have the same effect! Just because it comes from a spray collar people freak out.
Situations can be set up so that I remain out of sight and still have control enough to perform correct timing.
The 'leave' command is fairly strong but I can not always be there to request a 'leave' or an instant down. The behaviour is so strong and self rewarding that as soon as I am out of sight it occurs.
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15-10-2010, 12:04 AM
Originally Posted by rune
Don't know why that is aimed at me but if you are still using it after a year it ain't working!!
Maybe you should look at another method?
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15-10-2010, 07:37 AM
Originally Posted by TangoCharlie
Just to correct something, the puppy is eight months old not six months.
Citronella, Tabasco, grapefruit juice...all designed to have the same effect! Just because it comes from a spray collar people freak out.
Situations can be set up so that I remain out of sight and still have control enough to perform correct timing.
The 'leave' command is fairly strong but I can not always be there to request a 'leave' or an instant down. The behaviour is so strong and self rewarding that as soon as I am out of sight it occurs.
Good start!
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15-10-2010, 08:18 AM
Originally Posted by rune
You have made it obvious in that comment that you have NO idea on how,why or when the citronella collar works.
Good start!
I have NO idea what you are eluding to.
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15-10-2010, 08:25 AM
Originally Posted by TangoCharlie
Ok, I normally detest these types of collars. But some times when all avenues have been exhausted they maybe of some use.
My situation is, I have a puppy who has always eaten faeces. His own and other dogs. We have managed the situation and cut his exposure to the waste product as much as possible.
But we can't scan a whole field for faeces. I have a 'leave command' and it works...when I am around or close. However, much of the time I am not around. On rare occasions he has messed in the house overnight and eaten it.
To make matters worse he is on a six month course of steroids which ramps up his hunger. I cant manage the situation, it is not possible. I have tried pineapples in HIS food, stool repellant tablets, even hot tabasco sauce on the stools. He doesn't taste it, simply swallows it!
So it leaves me with the Citronella Remote Collar option.
Any opinions please?
We see a lot of puppies and owners each week and some owners will never be able to train some dogs to "leave it" effectively. Its just that simple. And leave it is a human present controlled action. Humans are not always there.
Conntroversial as it might be, my view is, if a training method works, it works.
IF all other avenues have been considered and attempted then aversives are sometimes, necessary. In my view.
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15-10-2010, 08:40 AM
Originally Posted by Lotsadogs
After considering diet and changing it, after a period of ensuring continuous removal of faeces from the garden and any other possibilities, I too have recommended use of thee collars. It usually works in a few goes.
COntroversial as it might be, my view is, if it works it works.
People can get quite judgemental and we are only talking about the possible use of a Citronella collar in a controlled, thought-out and neutral manor.
It doesn't mean I will slap a shock collar on an aggressive dog, or use a anti-bark collar on a dog suffering from Separation Anxiety.
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