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22-08-2011, 08:16 AM
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Why would you breed from any breed of dog, of which there are hundreds already in rescues, as has already been pointed out.

Dogs are not status symbols or cash machines
Your gonna need that tin hat
This ^^^

There is no need for it!
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22-08-2011, 08:19 AM
A BRISTOL charity is urging people to rehome one of their dogs, rather than buying a new one or breeding one.

Happy Tails Rehoming, based in Kingswood, is trying to reduce the number of unwanted dogs being put down when no-one claims them.

Founder Rowena Hicks said: "The number of unwanted dogs has reached crisis point.

"What is particularly distressing is the number of 'status' dogs such as mastiffs and Staffordshire bull terriers under two years being destroyed."

Many of these dogs are being bred by amateur breeders who seek to make a quick profit, without realising the fate they eventually meet.

According to Mrs Hicks, as many as 68 Staffordshire bull terriers are put down every day in the UK.

"Bristol and the rest of Britain needs to wake up to this problem," she said.

Co-founder Katie Marsh explained that Staffordshire bull terriers and other "status" dogs "have gained a reputation which means that many people will not consider rehoming them, despite most being of a gentle, affectionate disposition."

The rescue home has recently taken in a number of Staffordshire bull terrier types, including Zeus, who was found in a Bristol flat with his mouth taped up.

Though only a small rescue centre, Miss Marsh says they are "determined" to do their bit for suffering dogs.

Sophia Raddad, a fundraiser, explained why so many of these unwanted dogs end up losing their lives.

She said: "Many pounds tirelessly try their best to place these dogs in rescue centres.

"But with thousands of people choosing not to rescue but to buy a dog, there simply aren't enough spaces to go round."
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22-08-2011, 08:24 AM
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Why would you breed from any dog that is dog aggressive? Staffies are not naturally aggressive, mine and many I meet out are lovely, sociable friendly dogs. To be creating potential problematic pups for a breed already in crisis in this country is absolute madness. Dog friendly Staffies are being destroyed in their thousands and dog aggressive Staffies are the first in that queue.
We are not talking about "any" breed, we are talking about Staffords ! I really do not understand how a Stafford that is aggressive is problematic. They are and can be naturally aggressive towards other dogs, and to suggest otherwise is foolish, and exactly the sort of information that ends up with people owning them and expecting them to run and play with all the other neighbourhood dogs. Then when something does go wrong, the dog is at blame. When in actual fact the risk was and is always there.

I'm not getting into a rescue debate with you !
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22-08-2011, 08:30 AM
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! I really do not understand how a Stafford that is aggressive is problematic.
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22-08-2011, 08:31 AM
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I usually just read these sort of threads and sit on my hands. So that i do not get into a row, because i know how they usually end up.

Can anyone who has a problem with breeding from a dog aggressive Stafford please tell me why ? It is a Stafford ! From what has been said the dog is not human aggressive. What is the problem ?

Lack of health tests...etc.. Is a different story all together and i am not suggesting that non health tested stock should be bred from, it's the aggression thing that has got me wondering.

Off to get a tin hat


There are two massive problems:

1 - the rescues are overflowing with Staffies, both those that are dog aggressive AND those that are not. So why on earth would anyone endorse producing yet MORE dogs that could well end up in rescues too???

2 - why on earth would you want to, or support, the creation of a dog that can injure and kill other dogs???

My brother's dog was almost mauled to death by an off leash Staffie. Yes, Staffies are a breed that will not back down from a confrontation with another dog, but there are numerous, poorly bred, poorly treated Staffies that are far worse than confrontational, they are dangerous.

Why would anyone want to to add to the numbers of potentially lethal dogs?
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22-08-2011, 08:34 AM
Originally Posted by Craig & Lorna View Post
We are not talking about "any" breed, we are talking about Staffords ! I really do not understand how a Stafford that is aggressive is problematic. They are and can be naturally aggressive towards other dogs, and to suggest otherwise is foolish, and exactly the sort of information that ends up with people owning them and expecting them to run and play with all the other neighbourhood dogs. Then when something does go wrong, the dog is at blame. When in actual fact the risk was and is always there.

I'm not getting into a rescue debate with you !


So given what you have said, I can reasonably assume that your own dog is NEVER off leash?

Because as you have pointed out, Staffies are dog aggressive. So you never let your dog off leash, you make sure your dog can never harm another dog?
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22-08-2011, 08:55 AM
Knew i would need thta tin hat....

A majority of Staffords are "naturally" dog aggressive, so if breeding, there is the potential to breed more dog aggresive pups. That is part and parcel of the breed, and should not be frowned upon.

So what is the answer ? Only breeding from non aggressive bitches and searching out stud dogs that do not and have never displayed aggression ? What you will end up with is a dog that looks like a Stafford and acts like something all together different, you are wanting to change the whole character and temprement of a breed, because it doesn't fit in with some lifestyles. If the natural temprement doesn't suit then maybe a different breed is the answer ?

Sometimes owning a Stafford is not easy, and it means doing things differently than most other dog breed owners. Such as walking in places where there are no other dogs, at unsociable hours..etc..

I wouldn't want a herding breed that didn't herd, or a retriver that didn't retrieve I do not want a Stafford that does not have a Stafford temprement.

In answer to the question about my dog/s being off lead : I own 4 Staffords, all are walked in areas where we do not stumble across other dogs, and yes if they are out where there are other dogs present they are on leads.

I have a mother and daughter here, that can not be together for any length of time because they fight. They are kept seperately and crated accordingly.

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22-08-2011, 09:02 AM
C&L it was me that suggested that if this dog has growled at the posters dog and she also saw it it get into an altercation with another dog later in the day this dog does not have as suggested by the owner to the poster a good temperament which is what he implied and why he was going to breed from said dog.

Apart from what has aready been pointed out this breed is in particular crisis with overbreeding (responsible breeders) not breeding because of the problem no dog whatever breed should be bred from if it shows any sort of aggression towards another dog or human.

Were you suggesting that all Staffies are naturally aggressive to other dogs so that should not be considered when breeding ? As far as I know they can be and some are but there are surely as many that are not.

No Staffies should be bred at the moment unless done properly and health tests carried out and all have homes waiting and a lifelong guarantee of taking said pup or dog back if problems occur or help with re-homing. Saying that this should go for any breed.
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22-08-2011, 09:02 AM
Originally Posted by Craig & Lorna View Post
Knew i would need thta tin hat....

A majority of Staffords are "naturally" dog aggressive, so if breeding, there is the potential to breed more dog aggresive pups. That is part and parcel of the breed, and should not be frowned upon.
I take it you`re a breeder?
Which is sad because you seem to believe that SBTs are `special` dogs unlike all others in that they are mostly pre-programmed to fight.
In a period when most SBT enthusiasts are desperately trying to show these little dogs are sadly maligned and are happy family pets, you`ve just put the breed back 10 years.
Any dog can be made aggressive through poor management or deliberate shaping. All breeds can be raised to be accepting and obedient.
I suggest you read up on modern dog behaviour theory and learn how to socialise and train your dogs.
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22-08-2011, 09:04 AM
I've met many non dog aggressive Staffies, and they are Staffies, just because they aren't dog aggressive does not mean they are different dogs, many things make up a stafford, and I feel that with the amount of dogs being pts if you are to breed only the best of the best should be bred, and breeding for non dog aggression will not change the whole temperment of the breed IMO, in fact a lot of owners have trouble with that, and its a shame, yes people should be aware that it can happen, but just because it can does not mean that every Staff around is gonna be, or should be DA because its the breed character, and I think personnally will also save many dogs from a fate worse then death because of idiots who get the dogs for DA and then use and abuse them for fighting etc.
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