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20-11-2009, 10:56 PM
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At the end of the vid the lab looks to be running back in the direction of the dog that attacked her, perhaps looking for her owner, but maybe the man didn't realise she was hurt.

When our Sadie was a young 'un she was attacked and it looked just as bad but she seemed to come off unscathed, gave her a quick once over and she seemed fine, carried on with the walk home, absolutely fine and happy, when we got home we gave her a thorough check over and found several puncture wounds on her neck under her thick coat, we hadn't seen them the first time, one needed stitching and the rest were ok.

Perhaps he was afraid his dog would be PTS, saw the lab was up and running about fine, maybe he saw her go back to her owner? Maybe he saw her owner pick up her harness? We don't know do we? From what I can gather, her owner wasn't totally blind, so maybe he didn't realise she has such low vision? I know it sounds obvious and i'm not sticking up for him as such, I know that most of us would have stopped and made sure everything was ok but we should just have a wee think before we do judge anyone.

No I do agree, he shouldn't have left them at all, but we dont know why he did do we? Maybe i'm getting too soft in my old age (nearly 25).
i understand what you are saying, but surely he would expect the dog to have serious injuries after that attack. i stupidly watched the video, and i didnt think the dog would survive. so was extremely shocked and happy to hear see did, and that she has returned to work.

all i know is, that i could never have left them. if that was jake (he never ever would do that but just as an example) i would be terrified for him, and for him to get PTS but i still couldnt have left... the dog and owner were both totally innocent and did not deserve that to happen to them.
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21-11-2009, 12:40 AM
i agree completely that the man should have stayed but. his dog had just attacked the lab. how could he have stayed when the chances were his dog would attack again. i would love to think if i were ever in that situation i would stay but realistically, it was a truly difficult situation.

i acted in a way i never, ever thought i would do when dylan was attacked. i hit and punched an animal. ok he was attacking my dog but adrenaline is a pretty powerful thing and i reckon that man's flight instinct kicked in when he finally got the dog off.

also, considering the attack was 3 minutes long and the lab's injuries, that was not a full on so called pitbull mauling.

it rings many bells to dylans attack by a dog allowed to become unsocialised and therefore living by its survival instinct of attack before you get attacked. if anyone had filmed tommy breaking through my garden fence and dragging dylan across the garden by his neck it would have looked equally as horrific.

the whole thing is sad. sad because a dog was hurt. an owner was distressed and we have no idea what happened to the terrier involved.
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21-11-2009, 12:48 AM
sometimes, giving the benefit of the doubt approach just winds me up even more- there is no excuse for leaving them like that. None.
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21-11-2009, 12:52 AM
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sometimes, giving the benefit of the doubt approach just winds me up even more- there is no excuse for leaving them like that. None.
i'm sorry but i can't agree. how would you control a dog that has just attacked another and deal with a distressed owner and keep the dogs apart.

this isn't a perfect world.
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21-11-2009, 01:16 AM
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i'm sorry but i can't agree. how would you control a dog that has just attacked another and deal with a distressed owner and keep the dogs apart.

this isn't a perfect world.
I would secure my dog, then go back and make sure the owner was ok.
its worse than hit and run!!
and no the whole circumstance is far from perfect- but you still need to act like a responsible human being
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21-11-2009, 01:23 AM
come on! look no disrespect to you at all and i really mean that but having been involved in 3 dog attacks, rational thinking goes straight out of the window.

i agree that looking back, the decent thing to do would be to check the owner and the dog were ok, if not just say sorry. but the last thing on your mind is rational thought in a situation like that.

if everyone did the 'right thing' we would live in a very different world but we are just human. i thought i was going to pass out when my dog was attacked and i can tell you that i was not thinking rationally at all! i just about remember throwing lily (who was about 2 months old) back into the house and not giving her a second thought until well after the event. i'm not proud about that but just think how you felt watching that attack on video. place yourself in a real life situation and you feel a thousand times worse.
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21-11-2009, 01:35 AM
Ok, i have had a good think about that.......
I can think of a few circumstances when I have been involved in a traumatic event and you are right - rational thought does go- but I have always done what i think is right,
For example, 5 years ago I hit and killed a cat which literally run under my car wheels- for about 10 mins after i was in hysterics- i totally lost it. but when i calmed down i returned, found it, and spent 2 hours knocking on doors until i found the owner.
That was very hard and it would have been so much easier to run away.
If we 'allow' people to be unaccountable then you are right- the world will be a very nasty place!!
i have thought about it and i personally cannot excuse that man leaving the dog and owner in that tunnel.
Whats next- defense for murders- ''sorry i just wasn't thinking rationally''..........
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21-11-2009, 02:11 AM
Originally Posted by tabsmagic View Post
I would secure my dog, then go back and make sure the owner was ok.
i have to say i agree. if i was in that situation, i would hav either tied the dog up securely where i could still keep an eye on him but check the dog and owner are ok. or i would shout for help, so someone else nearby could check they are ok while i kept the dog at a distance.

Originally Posted by lilypup View Post
come on! look no disrespect to you at all and i really mean that but having been involved in 3 dog attacks, rational thinking goes straight out of the window.
i think rationally thinking can go out the window but not totally.

when jake was attacked at 11 weeks old, he had a massive SBT on top of him, and jake was squealing (thinking about the sound still makes me want to cry) and i punched the dog to get him off. now, i dont like to hit animals and i never would unless i needed to. and in that situation, i needed to. jake was my priority, the dog could have crushed him or suffocated him. my rational thinking told me to protect my puppy, and that it was better for a big adult dog to get punched than a puppy die coz i didnt do anything to protect him. ok, so the adrenaline maybe pushed me to do it but rationally that was what i needed to do. and, i would do it again.

the 2nd time jake was attacked by a BCxSBT, and the dog snapped his lead to get a jake. i had to grab jake and take him out of the dogs reach, but he had been bitten on the leg before i had a chance to. i was so upset, and in shock. but when the owner came running over apologising, i couldve easily shouted at her in anger but i thought rationally and knew it wasnt her fault. she had her dog on the lead, and he snapped it.

so i think to an extent andreline can really kick in and make you do things you wouldnt normally, but that doesnt mean you cant still think rationally. you never know how you will react in certain situations, but i really think that a decent person would stay.
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21-11-2009, 09:18 AM
Originally Posted by tabsmagic View Post
Ok, i have had a good think about that.......
I can think of a few circumstances when I have been involved in a traumatic event and you are right - rational thought does go- but I have always done what i think is right,
For example, 5 years ago I hit and killed a cat which literally run under my car wheels- for about 10 mins after i was in hysterics- i totally lost it. but when i calmed down i returned, found it, and spent 2 hours knocking on doors until i found the owner.
That was very hard and it would have been so much easier to run away.
If we 'allow' people to be unaccountable then you are right- the world will be a very nasty place!!
i have thought about it and i personally cannot excuse that man leaving the dog and owner in that tunnel.
Whats next- defense for murders- ''sorry i just wasn't thinking rationally''..........
well you certainly did the right thing. strangely enough my dad was in exactly the same situation some 40 odd years ago. he walked up and down the road crying until he found the cats owner. the owner sadly was unmoved by her cats death, unlike my dad.

sadly people are unaccountable in many occasions. and lets not forget a man has just been found not guilty for killing his wife whilst he was sleeping. it's a very strange world we live in now.

i'm not excusing the mans behaviour, just trying to understand it. personally i would have stayed and i don't say he was right to have not done so.

Originally Posted by lozzibear View Post
i have to say i agree. if i was in that situation, i would hav either tied the dog up securely where i could still keep an eye on him but check the dog and owner are ok. or i would shout for help, so someone else nearby could check they are ok while i kept the dog at a distance.



i think rationally thinking can go out the window but not totally.

when jake was attacked at 11 weeks old, he had a massive SBT on top of him, and jake was squealing (thinking about the sound still makes me want to cry) and i punched the dog to get him off. now, i dont like to hit animals and i never would unless i needed to. and in that situation, i needed to. jake was my priority, the dog could have crushed him or suffocated him. my rational thinking told me to protect my puppy, and that it was better for a big adult dog to get punched than a puppy die coz i didnt do anything to protect him. ok, so the adrenaline maybe pushed me to do it but rationally that was what i needed to do. and, i would do it again.

the 2nd time jake was attacked by a BCxSBT, and the dog snapped his lead to get a jake. i had to grab jake and take him out of the dogs reach, but he had been bitten on the leg before i had a chance to. i was so upset, and in shock. but when the owner came running over apologising, i couldve easily shouted at her in anger but i thought rationally and knew it wasnt her fault. she had her dog on the lead, and he snapped it.

so i think to an extent andreline can really kick in and make you do things you wouldnt normally, but that doesnt mean you cant still think rationally. you never know how you will react in certain situations, but i really think that a decent person would stay.
i was the same with my neighbours lozzi. on both occasions they were beside themselves with worry for dylan and they couldn't have apologized more. i too, was not angry with them, they hadn't set their dog on dylan. it was a horrible sequence of events that led up to both attacks.

i guess the bottom line is that the man was totally irresponsible in putting the dogs lead down. he is fully to blame for what occurred and i hope they do track him down and justice is served on him.
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21-11-2009, 02:01 PM
Even if the man was in shock and took off in panic its no excuse for not coming forward now.
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