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05-12-2010, 11:05 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer 
Why should a dog have to suffer a restricted lifestyle because its owner isn't very good at positive training?
in whos eyes?
E collars are very simple to use, much easier that purely positive methods, they are also transferbale from person to person, so the dog obeys all family members not just the one whos done it all.
a good beating works too
The proof that positive doesn't always work is all around you!
Adam
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05-12-2010, 11:07 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
Haven't seen the vid but probably same as me, its just better.
Adam
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05-12-2010, 11:42 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
Haven't seen the vid but probably same as me, its just better.
Adam
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06-12-2010, 06:34 AM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
I'm still not getting it Kruse.
However if you lower the value of the reward (desrease excitment) they reappear.
Btw seeing as I'm not getting it why don't you do what a good dog trainer would do and make it easier?
As it is you keep giving the cue and getting the wrong response lol.
Adam
i have already followed your suggestion by starting a thread called "comprehending training posts", whereby i explained my point again and easier.
another member understood my point after that re-explanation.
every else said they understood my point in the first place.
i even received rep points for my original point.
so i suggest, like a good dog trainer, you take the cue that has been offered several times, and read that thread and address the actual point made.......lol
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06-12-2010, 06:35 AM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
And Tassle too!
Because if you lower the excitment (by lowering value of treats) but train excatly the same (rate of reinforment ect) you get stress signals.
Adam
If you want a steady dog use food, if you want a hypey dog use play. That is why food is so good to teach with, because it makes them think,listen & work it out
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06-12-2010, 06:38 AM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
I'm still not getting it Kruse.
However if you lower the value of the reward (desrease excitment) they reappear.
Btw seeing as I'm not getting it why don't you do what a good dog trainer would do and make it easier?
As it is you keep giving the cue and getting the wrong response lol.
Adam
HOW exactly are you using food to get this? because if you are getting this whn you use food you are doing it wrong
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06-12-2010, 06:40 AM
Originally Posted by abbie
I have not read this whole thread but how on earth can you suggest that a dog finds being shocked relaxing!!!
Adam has voluntered to wear the e collar. now i need someone to eat the Malteasers.
Im going to keep shocking & feeding & find out who is most stressed at the end. Jeeezzzzzz
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06-12-2010, 06:41 AM
Originally Posted by mishflynn
Food treats do not raise excitement or drive they decrease it. Play, Handler "handling" praise/Body language/play, raise the drive.
If you want a steady dog use food, if you want a hypey dog use play. That is why food is so good to teach with, because it makes them think,listen & work it out
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06-12-2010, 06:44 AM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
But we also can't assume that dogs arn't distressed by reward training and don't find aversive training relaxing!
Adam
You can clearly see it in your vids.
You are obvisley in denial, so that you can continue to abuse animals for money.
I dont know exactly if that has a word, but id like to see you in Jail for it, what a shame you dont live in walesbecause thats where you would be.
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06-12-2010, 06:47 AM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
I'll have Benji off lead with my dogs (including entire male) social and none aggressive within a few sessions. Think what this could mean to Benji, the difference it will make to his life!
Adam
The difference it would mean to benjis life would be alot of Pain , alot of stress, he would still hate other dogs but be too scared
to do anything. great.
A DA dog can still have a good life, IF the owner can make a effort.