Physical correction has more to do with satisfying the frustrations of the human end of the team rather than the canine end. The same applies with children.

Just as kids learn just as well (mostly better) by being guided into the correct behaviour so do dogs. Abusive is a strong word and often doesn't 'fit' when physical correction is minimal, but looking at the clips that I see posted on the forum of Milan's work, I think he often tips over into the apt description of the word.

"I just treat them like dogs"

Milan doesn't. Dogs do not kick, tst, lift by the jowels, use prong collars, choke chains, electric collars or hang each other by the lead. He's a human and a human using techniques that he tells himself and others that emulates what dogs do to each other, but he couldn't be more wrong

he he, like that one!

CM cancelled his live show in DK due to poor ticket sales.
His TV show is still on TV.

This is true - as a parent I have lot my temper at my kids a time or two, but then I felt awful - All I had done was vented and nobody had benefitted from it. I have physically reprimanded dogs before too, smacking etc. but you know what they say - you catch more flies with honey. These days I am more enlightened. My dogs know when I mean business from the tone of my voice, but there is no need to strike them- if I did it would be my failure. It's difficult to be a positive trainer all the time, but it's not difficult to strive for it and try to be a better person. As for the video - what was he doing to that poor Bulldog???

Very good points Tassle, I completely agree.

Why on earth humans think they can replicate dog behaviour or act like a dog, & then expect the dog to understand that we are doing the same as another dog would do, is completely beyond me .

For a start human & canine senses are soooo very different. We see differently, we taste differently, we hear differently & at different frequencies, the sense of touch is very different & our sense of smell is completely different, probably very inferior!!

We humans are very ignorant of the ways dogs communicate with each other ~ all we can go on is what we detect with our own senses, & in most instances this is down to what we see as humans rely primarily on their sight. Then it's also down to our sometimes very anthropocentric interpretations of canine behaviours. And on top of that we don't have a clue as to how much of canine communication is based on pheromones, or on very subtle behavioural changes that we don't detect, or who knows what else?

IMO it's a very dangerous assumption to think that we can e.g. discipline a dog in the same way that another dog does & that it will mean the same thing to that dog. Dogs have to learn what humans mean, how humans communicate & we have to teach them what we mean & what we expoect of them.

Isn't that the best part of the relationship?

We strive to understand what our dogs are telling us and they try hard to understand what the heck it is we are trying to say.

It's a fascinating and often frustrating journey, but so worthwhile when the lightbulb goes on at both ends of the lead.

We are the lucky ones though. We have the ability to learn from others experiences by reading books, studying and learning both from our own observations and the observations of others. Dogs have to go it alone and work out as best they can what we want from them.

Humans - the superior species. Nope, dogs are the truly amazing creatures for ever figuring out what the heck we are trying to say

Phil, I disagree, dogs playing with dogs and responding to each others body language is one thing, dog human interaction is a totally different thing.

By kicking/hitting a dog you are teaching it humans are unpredictable and not to be trusted and that human hands and feet are something to avoid and fear

If you watched the video you would have noted some dogs reacted to CM's harsh handling with fear and submission but some reacted with aggression which necessitated an escalation of aggression and man handling on CM's part. None of this kind of handling is conducive to producing a confident well balanced dog, however it is likely to result in a fearful dog with unpredictable behaviour .

I don't treat my dogs like children or like humans, they are animals not humans and I think we should appreciate this, try to understand them and treat them accordingly.

I have observed dogs over many years including groups of dogs together in kennels and I have never seen a dog 'put another dog on the ground' .

What I have seen is one dog which may or may not have mounted the back/shoulders of another dog causing it to roll over and to voluntarily submit and adopt a freeze response rather than choosing to flee or fight.

I don't think this has anything to do with with discipline, it is a strong dog asserting itself over a weaker dog. The stronger of the two dogs may not retain this position, it could change in the future.

Yes, those clever clever observant dogs that somehow manage to learn human verbal communication & body language whilst we silly humans are still struggling to understand some of the basic canine communication methods. We have much to learn from our canine friends!

But even watching my cats & dogs "talk" to each other, they've managed to figure out ways to understand each other & the cats certainly don't lip curl, smack, growl, kick or go "tsk" to the dogs

No, I`m sorry - that`s simply not true.
Most dog- dog behaviour is based on avoiding confrontation and subsequent injury. Because injury = death.
I suggest you look again at your dogs. If they are indeed biting each other you have seriously disturbed and stressed dogs.
My dogs have huge teeth and powerful jaws. Every night they do this

There is never a mark, lost fur or scream of pain from either. This is the way they learn control and how far to go. Imagine how gentle they have to be - those teeth are sharp and pointed and the the speed of the leaping and lunging is quite something.
So their play is about how to AVOID hurting.

Now watch loose dogs who don`t know each other - the subtle signal, body language, the scenting of the air, the circling, the avoidance of eye contact. It`s all about avoiding a ruck, not about who`s got the biggest... teeth.

It is now accepted that dogs form social groups with flexible hierarchy. Not fixed status packs. To ensure this works, they have to avoid a conflict.
Dogs who do bully, attack, fight are those who have not learned to be proper dogs because of human intervention - dogs who are afraid or insecure or unsocialised.

CM does not understand dogs. He treats them as rivals.

No, I have never seen one dog "put" another dog to the ground.

What I have seen is one dog submit voluntarily to another by laying on the ground.

Two completey different things, and if you are reading the later as the first, you may need to brush up on your dog to dog communication.