It's good to know there seems to be some effective remedies for it.

Have to say that if I was advised that my breed of dog could end up with urinary incontinence if spayed I think I'd opt not to have her done. 10 - 12 yrs or more owning an incontinent large dog isn't something I'd like to take the risk of if I could avoid it.

well the vets don't generally mention it before spaying to be fair. Rio didn't develop incontinence until she was 6. It drove me to distraction tbh until we got to the bottom of it and found something that worked. My lounge carpet was covered with a huge sheet of damp proof membrane for months. The propalin has worked far better than I expected and not a drip has been seen since the very first day she started taking it. She only takes it once a day and at a reduced rate for her weight, I keep meaning to try and reduce it further but don't want to risk going backwards. At least by taking a reduced dose we have the option of increasing it if it ever gets worse. None of my other bitches have been spayed yet, tbf my other Dobermann bitch has issues which could be aggravated by spaying and I keep saying the pugs are too young. I think they'll be too young for a while yet.

Well my last big dog (GSD) was never spayed (not bred either - I just didn't see why to have it done) her mother before her wasn't either and lived longer but did have the one litter at 6yrs old. Mine died aged about 11 and I was told afterwards that the conditions - breast tumours and pylometris(sp?) are less likely to occur in spayed bitches. I felt rather aggrieved when I did find out. But then I'd always understood that 10 or 11 was the expected lifespan for a GSD even tho some do live longer.

It was when I was trying to decide whether to have my Cavvy spayed I found out about this and them being 'healthier for it' if you are not going to breed. I had her done (aged 4) as soon as I was told. I was considering it anyway as, for a little dog, her seasons were a total 6 act drama! Much worse than the previous big dog - started when she was 6 months, came every 6 months and seemed to last forever.

People really should be told ALL the pros and cons of various procedures IMHO. To make informed decisions. Still think I couldn't 'opt' to have anything done that would result in an incontinent dog unless it was a lifesaving procedure.

Going for a swim now.

I have had 2 bitches with this, one was about 10ins high, another 13ins and one 25ins tall. Gracie, the 10in high dog came with this, she had been in rescue for 8 months and they said they hadn't noticed. I had a nearly full bottle from Dixie so started her on Propolin right away. I had her for 5.5 years and she never wet her bed again.

There are lots of theories on why this happens but no seen anything to back them up.

Will let you know the name of the tablets when I get them tomorrow... any advice on where to get the PS as I would prefer that.. but over here it is very expensive.. what dose do you give her as mine must be about the same weight... they are Mastin Espanol... or spanish mastiff as they are called in the UK..

She weighs a little over 60kg and gets 1.2ml twice a day. A 100ml bottle lasts me about 6 weeks therefore. I pay for a repeat prescription (6 months worth) from my vet (about £7.50) and buy the medication online (about £24 for 100ml) which is literally half the price of buying it off the vet direct.

On the bottle it says recommended dose 0.1ml per 5kg three times a day, which is what she probably started on, but as I say we dropped to twice and it works. I believe it works by controlling the sphincter muscles so I'll be interested to know what the hormone tablets do.

Good luck!

PS Spanish mastiff; wow, gorgeous!

Just been looking up Spanish Mastiffs. Wow! Spanish Mastiff could wear my little bella on a chain round her neck like a pendant!

*thinking about the size of dog tho - I guess when they make a 'puddle' it's quite some puddle!

Maybe when she's all sorted you might post us a pic, would love to see her