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11-02-2011, 06:10 PM
They have been TAUGHT "play drive" which comes more naturally to some than others. They enjoy to play (that is not drive) & ive increased this want. so that i can use it.
I dont do much ball throwing, prefer tuggy.
I want the dog to be having fun "with me" ( Tuggy) not running away from me (fetch).
Natural working drive/focas /want is something else. For example, a husky could have tons of prey drive, but could also have (or not) drive for work. I presume these with most drive are the lead dogs (but stand to be corrected there)
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11-02-2011, 06:23 PM
Originally Posted by mishflynn 
I dont do much ball throwing, prefer tuggy.
I want the dog to be having fun "with me" ( Tuggy) not running away from me (fetch).
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11-02-2011, 06:38 PM
Throw a ball for Jed and he'll look at me like i'm from another planet. Show him a squirrel or a rabbit and he's gone, totally taken over by the drive to chase it and kill it.
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11-02-2011, 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by Leanne_W
I wouldnt say ball drive is the same as prey drive.
Throw a ball for Jed and he'll look at me like i'm from another planet. Show him a squirrel or a rabbit and he's gone, totally taken over by the drive to chase it and kill it.
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11-02-2011, 06:46 PM
Originally Posted by mishflynn
what about if you throw the rabbit!!!!
I have rabbit pelts and wings from various birds which I sometimes use to train Flynn. Jed isnt interested in those because he knows they're dead and a tad boring.
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11-02-2011, 08:01 PM
Originally Posted by mishflynn
No i shouldnt think so, too scatty. & not drivey in that way, but then shes not bred fot thaT
Shes a collie - tis the only instinct you will pass on. Interestingly someone (very involved in Collies) once said to me, you can breed Ob/Ag Ch to each other till the cows come home, but it is not instinct. That is what you get from training, the only instinct you get from breeding a BC is Herding. I don't know how true this is. But IME Ob/Ag etc comes from training.
With mav, bloody good training! Id still like him stronger
its on going. mainley work on his drive in short bursts, he could never do a hour HW training, where as zo gets better the more she does.
Yep - Siren is like this.
His training is a mix of Op conditioning, food reward, play reward, bit of hands on-bit of hands off, bit of stupidity, & lead use
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11-02-2011, 08:52 PM
Originally Posted by mishflynn
I def disagree with that, lol!
Theyve obvisley never trained a ob bred dog!
**** to add , i dont think its instinct, so much , but a pre disposition & attitude & conformation
!!! You don't know who I is talking about
I would agree though....I think this is down to training. Obedience people sell to obedience homes, agility people to agility homes, the more well known the dog - the more well known people are going to want a pup, hence training from word go etc.
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11-02-2011, 08:59 PM
Originally Posted by Velvetboxers
If for instance i throw a ball with the ball chucker - which will go a good distance & at the same time a rabbit breaks cover, what does it say about the dog that chases the ball & not the rabbit
My GSP who is an HPR from working stock would go after his ball....every time. I hooked him on toys at an early age and he will recall from deer, rabbits, sheep, birds to a whistle because he knows his ball will be the reward. In the absence of a ball, a plastic bottle will do.
It makes him very, very, easy to manage.
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