HOPEFULLY it did!!!!!!!

O Lord give me patience.

Irony is obviously lost on you Jackbox.

These are SAYINGS, for goodness sake, like we might say PMSL on a website - we don't literally mean that we actually wet ourselves ! At least, I hope not !!

Very briefly before dashing off to work - can't find this interview I am looking for. It was a transcription of an interview with Cesar Millan about wolf dogs in general, but also Shadow in particular.

No-one with any sense Mish ! As you rightly say, we "correct". CM corrects unwanted behaviour or actions. I do not allow Tai to growl at other dogs. He does sometimes, of course, he is after all a dog, not an automaton. I do not want an automaton for a dog. So, if another dog comes bounding up to say hello, and Tai growled ... he never would do this incidentally, but IF he did ... I would reprimand him. If he was attacked by another dog ... say this hypothetical dog came bounding up and went straight for his throat with the clear intent to cause harm, I would immediately let him off the lead, if he were on the lead, if not I would do everything I could to separate the dogs without actually using my hands (IMO a very dangerous thing to do, and only something I would do as a last resort).

Unless under threat or attack, both Tai and us, I would normally not allow Tai to growl at other dogs. As you rightly say, I will diffuse the situation, usually by stepping between the two dogs if this is possible. Often if you can prevent dogs eyeballing each other and/or reading each other's body language, this can have an immediate effect!

Thankyou, you said it so much better than me

Scarter, yes in an ideal world you can control exactly what dogs you meet and when you meet them - when you all live outside a park that you all have to cut through before you can get anywhere then you cannot avoid situation. I had been sucessfully counter conditioning Mia to Lucy. I didnt know the extent of Lucys training till after - her owner had done pssting and telling off to every dog Lucy had growled at in the past. I wasnt aware of the severity of lucys feelings because she suppressed them already

Gnasher
I am a little confused - you think it was OK for your dog to go for another dog because it later jumped up on you??
Even so there are lots of unstable dogs in the world - you are basically saying that all well behaived dogs should on sight attack my Mia because she has issues?? even if she is doing nothing??

Ooops, yes you lost me on the irony... when you said the dogs eyes turned "red" so now its just "literally" speaking

Oh dear, someone else who can't understand irony !! I can't think the word for it - when you say something like "It was as ripe as a Ribstone Pippin", or "he was green around the gills", or "there were butterflies in my tummy, I was so nervous". These are not analogies, I just cannot think of the word !

Some dogs eyes ARE red ... Hal's were red at night, or in the dark.

As for your last paragraph, you bet he was !! Wouldn't you Mish? Come on, be fair, of course he was scared. That Shadow was a big dog - and Cesar had made a bad mistake, and he knew it. Have you never ever made a mistake with a dog? I am sure you have never kicked a dog, but have you never lost your temper with a dog, or realised that a particular course of action you took was completely the wrong one? I have lost my temper even with Tai, bless his heart, he is a dear sweet boy but he can be terribly irritating sometimes. He has a horrible habit of huffing and puffing and panting and sighing if he thinks his walk is overdue. It's not because he is desperate to go to loo, it's just he is impatient to go - it sounds trivial, but believe me when you are on the phone to clients, it is very distracting and very irritating, and more than once I have rounded on him and said if you don't b. well stop puffing, I'll clock you one. I never have of course, but the threat of violence is more than clear in my voice, and it is not good, and I feel terrible afterwards.

I am not insinuating you would ever threaten your dogs Mish with violence, before you get all crinkly with me, I am just pointing out that Cesar made a mistake ... and he got bitten for his pains, and jolly good thing too. I just wish I could find that transcript of the interview with him about it ... it may be on my other computer, I haven't got time now to look for it, but will try to do so tonight, because it was very interesting, what he said about wolf dogs, how he had got a lot of learning to do and was going to be linking up with some wolf dog chap in the States to get some guidance and training because more and more he was being asked to sort out wolf dogs with problems.

No, I did not say that

I'm some way behind as I see the thread's picked up a bit again, so forgive me if I post what has been posted by someone else.

To me the dog was only the way he was BECAUSE of CM ...
I agree with this information here which discusses the episode:

http://www.4pawsu.com/cesarfans.htm

as far as I know the dog was not aggressive to the owner (I try not to use the words "red zone" as it has come from CM and is only his opinion).

I felt as if CM pushed the dog to submit by making the dog fight him so he could do the usual to it.

After, apparently the dog did not "improve" anyway.

If I recall, the only reason the owner wanted CM to help was because the dog would not let him alpha roll him in the house - I suspect because of the slippery floors!! The whole episode makes me sad and angry

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Yes, I agree - it is horrible to watch and genuinely upsetting.
I worry that one day CM will go too far and damage a dog's trachea irreparably, or kill a dog ...

Wys
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