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27-03-2008, 10:21 AM
Originally Posted by mse2ponder 
I would imagine it's a question of resources though.. It seems that independent rescues have a hard enough time getting foster homes and transport for the dogs requiring it, and thus probably have little time to spare for liaising with tracks and trainers to trace the people responsible.
Also, could it not have adverse effects? such as the disposal of dogs via other means so owners/trainers avoid reprimand/shaming - possibly resulting in more suffering, so neither the dogs nor their bodies can be recovered?
Dawn.
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27-03-2008, 12:19 PM
Originally Posted by Jodie
Iain
Did you know that the Irish farmers receive EU funding to breed greyhounds for the UK racing industry?
Hi Jodie
Yes this did happen for a few years, after protests from a number Welfare groups this was stopped around 1999(not exactly shaw when), also amoung the protesters where the IGB and the NGRC.
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27-03-2008, 12:28 PM
Originally Posted by Jodie
The trainers who slaughter their greyhounds are more likely to be the trainers who are contracted to the stadiums to race BAGS (bookmakers afternoon greyhound service) greyhounds.
These are the most exploited of all racing greyhounds. They are the slowest and are bred in huge numbers to supply the 80 BAGS races every day. BAGS meetings are not a social event, they are purely organised to be televised to the high street bookmakers shops and online betting sites. They cost £200 and these are literally 'disposable commodities'. It is because they are purely a 'unit' very little money will be invested in them. If they sustain an injury they will not be afforded vet treatment if it exceeds their value or their potential to earn that money back. Ive spoken to trainers who say, its cheaper to get rid (not by humane euthanasia at £80)and buy another two hundred pounder!
Jodie
You are 100% right on this.
With a but
In the South there is/was main trainer who does this, there are others who do it to a lesser extent, there are more who dont do it at all
The cost of PTS a greyhound by this VET is £20.
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27-03-2008, 12:49 PM
Do remember but cannot remember exact details and cant find anything on Google about it...... but
The only proscution was the Driver by the Spanish for the wrong paper work.
He was fined 75 euro.
If you can point me to any links where any of these six where proscuted it would help me .
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27-03-2008, 01:26 PM
They still get EU funding through the Farm Diversity scheme.
http://ndp.fusio.net/viewdoc.asp?mn=...ture_farm3.htm
Scroll down to Fact sheet no 58 and click on greyhounds.
http://www.teagasc.ie/advisory/alter...0001/index.htm
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27-03-2008, 01:37 PM
Really? I paid £80 just under a month ago.
Just goes to show how 'buying in bulk' or taking adavantage of a 'Buy one get one free' can greatly reduce the price!
Perhaps you can enlighten me as to which Vet charges such a minimal fee Galty..............
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27-03-2008, 01:41 PM
Dawn............you said you would Name and Shame those guilty of abuse, did you not?
So come on...stand by your word and Name and Shame these trainers on your website as promised please.
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27-03-2008, 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by Jodie
'The cost of PTS a greyhound by this VET is £20'
Really? I paid £80 just under a month ago.
Just goes to show how 'buying in bulk' or taking adavantage of a 'Buy one get one free' can greatly reduce the price!
Perhaps you can enlighten me as to which Vet charges such a minimal fee Galty..............
the Vet at the Ockenden complex.
A GREYHOUND COMPLEX that holds a number of greyhound trainers that is not out of the way and unknown.
The SPAREPARTS pratice as well you no
Dont play games
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27-03-2008, 02:09 PM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn
Im not critisising ANY rescue, merely saying THEY can do more if they want to. Dont dismiss the fact these Dogs had owners, they are traced easily, get in touch with them, offer them a chance to help and see if you can gain help from them. That can only help the Dogs, and if these people refuse to help, name and shame.
Why should it be down to the independent rescue centres and PUBLIC FUNDS to do the job of the NGRC?
Dont you think these rescue centres have a hard enough job, socialising, house training, worming, vaccinating, spaying, de muzzling, domesticating and teaching the greyhound how to be receive affection without having to race for it? Dont you think its hard enough for them to teach your abandoned greyhounds how to play? Dont you thinks its hard enough for them to find homes for the constant flow of your industry's financial liabilities?
Its your industry's responsibility to pay the £600 it costs to get one of your 'units' retired into a forever home.
Its your industry's responsibility to police this corrupt 'sport', not joe public or public resources!
If your industry wants self regulation, then let it SELF FUND and SELF REGULATE!!!!
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27-03-2008, 02:52 PM
Originally Posted by Jodie
Why should it be down to the independent rescue centres and PUBLIC FUNDS to do the job of the NGRC?
Dont you think these rescue centres have a hard enough job, socialising, house training, worming, vaccinating, spaying, de muzzling, domesticating and teaching the greyhound how to be receive affection without having to race for it? Dont you think its hard enough for them to teach your abandoned greyhounds how to play? Dont you thinks its hard enough for them to find homes for the constant flow of your industry's financial liabilities?
Its your industry's responsibility to pay the £600 it costs to get one of your 'units' retired into a forever home.
Its your industry's responsibility to police this corrupt 'sport', not joe public or public resources!
If your industry wants self regulation, then let it SELF FUND and SELF REGULATE!!!!
I WILL name and shame OWNERS of abandoned Greyhounds or those that refuse to help in any way the rehoming of a Dog they have owned, I stand by that.
Why is it the job of the NGRC to phone owners about Dogs? I am talking about the rescues here, the ones that are always complaining about owners of Dogs who discard them and they are left to pick up the pieces. All I am saying is, for us it DID work in plenty of instances, lets face it if you rang 10 owners and just 2 of them gave you even £30 each, thats a fair bit towards the keep of a Grey for a couple weeks at least.
I am full of admiration for ANY rescue, Id just like them to give the owners a chance, because I reckon a large majority do NOT know what happens to their dogs, they are trusting the trainer to rehome and as you know some dont do it properly! If the trainer comes under fire, he wont get the business from decent grey owners, thus depleting his income, like I say, hit them where it hurts!
Dawn.
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