It's funny you should say this Becky and I don't want to do Jess a disservice here, but it is not the first time the word 'experiment' has been used in the context of Jess.

Remember this with the puppy which was walked for 4-6 hours..
''Only got him as an experiment'. Perhaps that was the wrong thing to say on Dosgey. It sounds terrible to have it said like that, the 'experiment' was to do with behaviour'',

It would be useful to have a whole litter to experiment on to test Bio Sensory stimulation wouldn't it. Sorry if this sounds harsh but we have seen Jess's 'latest interests' before. If I remember correctly the last one was advising not to vaccinate dogs.
Bio Stimulation has been around for a long time and most good breeders will be using it to a certain extent anyway without realising it,they will be doing things like gently handling the puppies and touching/stroking parts of their bodies, getting them used to different sounds and scents, putting things in their box like boxes and containers so they can experience different textures and shapes.

Good breeders know about socialisation, the kind of breeders 'who leave the mother and pups in the barn to get on with it' are probably not the kind of people who will take the time and trouble to carry out a Bio Stimulation programme.
Jess I hope you have changed your views on vaccination and exercise and will be advising to owners of the puppies to vaccinate and not to over exercise those tiny joints..

Do you still believe all breeders leave their bitches & puppies alone ? BYB, Pet Breeders & Puppy farmers may do that & so may some"professional"(as in dogs bred to work), but responsible breeders do not, most of the KC registered pedigree dog breeders spend a lot of time with the dam & her litter, handling & talking to the puppies from birth.

The raising in barns/kennels alone with no contact may have been the norm when this research was done & the breeders who do still raise their litters like this will not be interested in any research results or theories.

The litters I have bred have had my undivided attention for most of the 6-8 weeks they were with me, playing, cuddling, grooming etc etc

As to allowing a rescue bitch to conceive, then allowing her to go full term & rear a litter for you & your colleagues to "test"this way of rearing a litter-words fail me. I do hope that you have now had all the requisite health tests done on your dog & also your bitch(HD x rays obviously should be done later on the bitch)to ensure that if the puppies are likely to have inherited any genetic conditions you can forewarn the buyers.

A couple of friends of mine have had litters recently....both have been sleeping with the bitch and pups...both gradually exposing pups to more in the house...more visitors etc...both will be rearing excellent litters of pups.
One is a litter of potential assistance dogs, one is a litter of Flat Coats destined for show/work and pet homes...both are being reared well and were mated in happy circumstances, both parents of both litters have had all of their health tests (above and beyond) done.

How will your research help them Jess?

Not sure why I should have to apologise for using the word experiment. As far as I am aware I am only here on Earth once, and I want to find out as much as I can. As far as my first BC is concerned, I didn't get him from just anywhere, nor did I pay alot of money. I was taking a chance. There was a breeder that was advertising alot, and I was getting phonecalls for help with these biters, or food possesive youngsters. In order to help them, I got one (yes to keep) to find out if it was the owners, or this breeder.
This dog has a loving home, been on stage a few times, and is fed the best of food. He has a damn good life. I got him to further my own knowledge about this breeder, and this breed.

As for non vaccinating. I still don't.

As for 'over excersising' I never have. That would be pushing a dog over it's ability, of course it will cause damage. However I will dissagree to the day I die that giving a young dog an hours walk is a bad thing (unless he clearly is showing signs of tiredness). I have also experience of dogs NOT being walked in their first year to prevent hip problems, and they still turned out dysplastic.

Bio-sensor program, as I mentioned at the start has been around for longer than most of us, however I find little evidence of British breeders using it, certainly not in these parts. (Much more in America) so it will do no harm to make more people aware, and if breeders ask me, which they do, I will be armed with hands on knowledge.

Jess are you for real?
I do feel I have to ask...
You bought a pup from what sounds like a puppy farmer and this is the dog that has mated with the rescue bitch?
Wasn't it you that took that same pup up a mountain at an exceptionally young age and then agreed on here that you had overexercised him?
I am starting to wonder if you are for real now....

As I say...how is your research going to help my friends?

Why would it help people that are already doing it? Clearly I have said that I can find no evidence of people using ENS in these parts, therefore raising awareness can be no bad thing, and even better when I have experience.

I don't remember agreeing that I over walked my youngster up a hill, (but I am sure you will find it if I did) but I do remember carrying him alot that day in the snow. If I over did it, then I guess I would have caused problems that would probably be showing up in the now 2 year old dog, who has a clean bill of health, and is still not vaccinated (ahhh)

No wouldn't necessarily be showing up now. Yes I could find that thread but I truly can't be bothered Jess.

You are doing an experiment because it might be interesting on a young bitch who ahs been through 3 homes already...because it is 'interesting'.........how is that okay????? To do with research that has already been done and that good breeders are already using.
You have mated a rescue bitch (on her first night in rescue) with what sounds like a puppy farmed male.
Sigh.

What an utter disgrace! If it were anything to do with me Jess, Id take the dog off you and make sure you never had another!

I wasnt going to add anything but did have a look at your website and think it is completly irresponsible for a dog trainer to have on a website that having a litter can calm a bitch down.
You should be setting an example to the people and dogs you train.

The thing with experiments is that in general they should be ethical

I'm doing a small experiment and it will go through the ethics committee at college and only then will I continue, if it's approved, (which of course I hope it will be).

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