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Originally Posted by
Steve52
Are you saying that a champion would sire or a bitch have better standard of pups than a dog that has not been shown? This is simply not the case in all circumstances. I am certain that if I had a dog that I wanted to breed and found a bitch the owner of said bitch would not breed with mine if he was not up to 'standard'.
How would the owner of the bitch know whether or not your dog was of breed standard ??? As I said before, Champions do throw out not so good dogs sometimes, however, you are saying your dog has a pedigree to die for. What exactly do you mean by that ? Please elaborate ?
Originally Posted by
Steve52
Its the training that wins shows not the standard. As I said earlier my dog was the best looking in the ring but neither of ou had a clue what we were doing there so he did not win.
How do you know the Judge was not just being complementary. I'm sorry but you can have the best trained dog in the ring, if it isn't breed standard and another dog is, the well trained one will not win, just for being 'good'. Judging is about the dog closest to the breed standard, not it's behaviour. In my breed I am constantly up against a dog who is very badly behaved and very aggressive towards other dogs and often it's owner, however, the dog is closer to the standard than my dog, and therefore he gets placed over my dog. I've also recently seen a newcomer go to a Champ show as his first show, and didn't have a clue what to do, but his dog was placed 1st as it was the best standard. Training has very little to do with placings as I'm sure most exhibitors will agree with me. As you've only been to a couple of shows, I hardly think you are qualified enough to be the new expert on Judging !!!
Originally Posted by
Steve52
Just for your information I think I would know more about 'in' breeding, and genetics than most people.
So please answer my original question.........what do you call 'in' breeding ?
Originally Posted by
Steve52
Are you saying that dog breeders, all dog breeders, are above board?
I never said anything about being above board. I said I had never heard of show kennels charging more than normal for a dog with great pedigrees etc.
Originally Posted by
Steve52
I paid £ 150 - 200 more than the average Because of his pedigree and
not the shows his parents won.
He cost more than the average Because of the shows his parents won....and his pedigree.
This is a contradiction if ever I heard one........please explain. Either you DID pay more for the shows his parents won or you didn't !!!!
Originally Posted by
Steve52
Breed standards.....at no point did I state they should be ignored. I do however say that just because your dog won a show or three
does not mean it would be better than a dog that has not been shown.
How do you know that if he hasnt been shown ??? The whole point of showing is to see whether or not the dog is anywhere near the breed standard. The fact that he's "good looking" is neither here nor there with regards to breed standards !!!
Originally Posted by
Steve52
Dog breeders......we had one raided up here only last month, cage upon cage upon cage, they aint all good you know. I know people who bought pups from this breeder and have won shows with them which kind of proves a point I think.
And your point is ???? Any dog, whether it has Champs in the pedigree or not, could potentially produce a good dog, breed standard wise. My point is, your "to die for" pedigree means diddly squat, unless the dog ACTUALLY has the desired points to back it up against other dogs of the CORRECT breed standard.
NO Judge would place other dogs over yours simply on the basis of 'you didn't know what you were doing'. He may have commented on him being good looking................I've seen hundreds of dogs that I think are handsome etc, but it doesnt mean they are anywhere near the breed standard. And as I said earlier, as youve only done a show or two, you are not really in a position to be a breed expert all of a sudden, that is a judges job !!