You haven't been reading the posts very carefully then, have you? I've quoted some of them below for you to re-read, all of them saying either he will suffer, or their long coated dogs suffer less than their short coated dogs.

Val, this is boring, but I will humor you.

The fact you can't post as yourself speaks volumes.

From one of your buddies who also has a sad little grudge, I will disregard it.

(my emphasis)
You need to learn to read posts for what they are and not manipulate them to fit your views.

No offence to the poster but this is just an opinion, you seem to consistently confuse facts for opinions.

Jayjay isn't matted and has been groomed daily since it was necessary, as you know. He still is groomed daily despite being shaved.

A valid point, a person who's opinion I value greatly in fact but the majority of this post is in reference to another breed entirely. Huskies btw. Different breed, different coat, simples.

His coat is still protecting him from the elements, including the sun. I have said this numerous times elsewhere but I will repeat (for the last time) that he was not shaved to save on grooming time or for my benefit, it was entirely for HIS benefit.

Not sure what relevance this has to your point. Just anecdotal evidence, one persons experience.


This proves my point behind why I've shaved him, Jayjay has suffered through winter and into spring. If the opposite is true in summer then I won't shave him again but quite simply (I'm going to put this in bold capitals so that you might actually read it, not because I'm shouting) I HAVE SHAVED HIM BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I DEEMED THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.

Perhaps if his breeder had given better guidance and advice, rather than turning on me over one disagreement I would have gone down a different route.

To finish, and I'll be quite frank. Grow up, get over yourself and stop dwelling on things that mean jack. If you have nothing better to do than pick fault with me then you are a very sad person. I love Jayjay with all my heart, he's a brilliant dog and I'd do anything for him, as well you know.

We once gave a Bichon to a woman as a rescue, she weighed 4.5 kg and was superbly groomed by us before she went, a year later this woman brought the bichon back she was terribly matted and weighed over 16kg . Now it wouldnt be so bad if she had simply said she couldnt cope, but nope, she bought another dog that suited her needs much better, in fact she bought a dog to show and breed from a much more expensive dog than a little bichon.

Now forgive me if I am wrong here , but, doesnt that smack of poor practice, poor breeding responsibility and a puppy farmer.

We had to place the obese dog on a diet so she could walk and we groomed her over a period of many days so she wouldnt then feel attacked.....

This woman purports to be an expert and know dogs, pity she didnt know the dogs she had!

The majority of your reply makes no sense to me. I don't know why you are on the offensive, because I've looked through my two posts to you and I can't see anywhere where I've said your dog was matted, or that you don't love him, or that you haven't done what you thought was best for him. If my suggestion about combing out his undercoat offended you this much, then I apologise.

You also seem to be confusing me with someone else. I'm not a very confident person. If you look at my profile you will see I have been a member on here for a number of months and have only just now been brave enough to post. I'm glad I chatted with others on here before you came on, because if I thought you were an example of the posters on here I would never have dared post again.

why let these people get you down, pick yourself up, dust yourself down and start all over again, words of the song say

Thank you kingbilly! Some good advice there.

pleasure doin business lol

I cant understand why people interfear with other peoples desisions, it is surly a matter of personal choice everyone is entitled to there own opinion, i would not dream of forcing my opinion on anyone else, i doubt very much anyone choosing to clip their dog is doing so to be cruel, in fact it is the opposite that is true it is because we love our dogs we do what we do for them, you may say buy a short coat instead of clipping a long coat, but there is far more involved in any breed of dog then just the length of there coat, it is the dog as a whole that people fall in-love with, the character of the breed, personality, activity level and so on, if someone is in love with a particular breed that happens to have a long coat and they decide to have their dog clipped that is their own decision to make, it really has nothing to do with anyone else, no one has the right to shout someone down for having a opinion that differs from their own,

Hi,

I've never owned BCs but I did have a rescue Rough Collie/GSD. His coat was lovely whan I had hikm and I maintained it well.

However, there came a point where we were in the park and I stil to this day have no idea what he got in his fur. I couldn't get it out. I groomed him almost constantly for 4 days then cut off about an inch of his fur underneath his belly where his fur was so matted I coudn't do anyhign with it. I sent him to the groomers who cut off another inch or so, washed and blow dried him.

I wouldn't shave him as I lvoed the look of his coat but that was my choice. If he got too hot he stopped what he was doing.

Also, I've had to chop a little of Ellie's fur around her rear end. Very fluffy and easily matted but too far round for her to clean herself properly when she was in season. And to top it all off she wouldn't allow meanywhere near her.I chose to wait until the ens f her season, claned her up and chopped a bit of the fluff offthat I couldn't get as clean as I'd have liked. It's all grown back now(with a vengence) and now she has a flufffy bum!

My point is this - we all do what we think is best for our dogs. If it doesn't work then we try something else next time. I don't think shaving a dog is cruel if done with the right intentions and to the right extent.

Tose dogs who are not well cared for probably should be shaved in certin circumstances if it's deemed necessary given the condition of their coat, skin, etc.

Laura xx

Here is a very interesting article on the insulation properties of double coated northern breed dogs and the cooling system dogs in general have naturally, obviously this topic is about northern breed dogs in a hot climate., and give the reason why shaving is not required.

quite long but very good.

http://www.samoyed.org/heat.html

mo