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Dexter's Mummy
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24-11-2009, 11:09 AM

Puppy biting (8 months old)

We have had Dex from the age of 8 weeks and he is a pretty good dog. (Scottish Terrier) He knows when to go to toilet and has let us know when he needs out.

He is fine at being left - he just goes to bed or plays with toys. He doesnt demand attention all the time and is quite happy to potter around while we are cleaning or cooking etc.

He has been allowed to sit up on the couch since about 12 weeks, and will sit quite happily alongside us or on one of our knees and just sleep - 75% of time. 25% of time he bites and it is a strong bite - not just playful biting. We have been putting his lead on him and putting him on floor when he does this - but he just sits and bites the lead. We have tried putting him out of room on time outs but he still doesnt get it. He isnt particularly hyper - just bitey.

We tried spraying water in his face last night and it seemed to stop him - but it seems cruel to me.

The problem is he is having a few health probs just now, and I just feel sorry for him, so dont want to punish him but he needs to learn before he hurts someone.

Thoughts or advice anyone?
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24-11-2009, 11:27 AM
Originally Posted by Dexter's Mummy View Post
We have had Dex from the age of 8 weeks and he is a pretty good dog. (Scottish Terrier) He knows when to go to toilet and has let us know when he needs out.

He is fine at being left - he just goes to bed or plays with toys. He doesnt demand attention all the time and is quite happy to potter around while we are cleaning or cooking etc.

He has been allowed to sit up on the couch since about 12 weeks, and will sit quite happily alongside us or on one of our knees and just sleep - 75% of time. 25% of time he bites and it is a strong bite - not just playful biting. We have been putting his lead on him and putting him on floor when he does this - but he just sits and bites the lead. We have tried putting him out of room on time outs but he still doesnt get it. He isnt particularly hyper - just bitey.

We tried spraying water in his face last night and it seemed to stop him - but it seems cruel to me.

The problem is he is having a few health probs just now, and I just feel sorry for him, so dont want to punish him but he needs to learn before he hurts someone.

Thoughts or advice anyone?
Hi Joanne is Dexter biting you when you try to move him off the sofa ?

You say 'he is just bitey' which sounds to me like Dexter is actually play biting and this was never corrected when he was small.

If this is the case Dexter is attempting to play with you just as he would with his siblings.
Watch any litter of puppies playing, they bite each other in turn/yelp/run away, this is 'play biting' and they soon learn how much they can bite each other without inflicting pain and bringing play to an end.

When we take on a puppy we need to continue the learning process which was interrupted when the puppy left its litter mates . We need to curbed and channelled the play biting in the right direction ideally before the age of 4 month. The puppy should be encouraged to bite ever more gently until no pressure is exerted at all , this is called 'bite inhibition'.

Teaching bite inhibition ensures that as the puppy grows up and develops powerful jaws, should he bite for any reason (say he is in in pain/at the vets being treated /gets accidentally hurt) he will have learnt never to sink his teeth into human skin.

Bite inhibition, learning to developer a 'soft mouth' is one of the most important lessons you can teach your puppy, however teaching it takes time and patience and success won't be achieved in just a few days . Also everyone in the household needs to adopt the same approach.

Spraying dogs with water to me is a pointless exercise, it may make the dog pause in the behaviour but it does not address the problem. Likewise putting the dog in another room may interrupt the behaviour but the dog isn't learning anything.

Link to teaching bite inhibition ..click here
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24-11-2009, 11:35 AM
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Here is some more advice on play biting courtesy of the excellent Association of Pet Dog Trainers.


PLAY BITING

Puppy teeth – yes indeed they do hurt!
Puppy biting is a perfectly natural behaviour. Puppies use their mouths to explore their surroundings; nothing is sacred from puppy teeth. They also use their teeth when playing. Fortunately this is something they usually grow out of when they loose their puppy teeth at around sixteen weeks.
Puppies themselves learn that their teeth are sharp when they are still with their mother and littermates. They begin to hurt their mother’s teat when feeding and she will get up and walk away. The pup learns there is a consequence to using teeth.
They also learn the consequences of using their teeth too hard when playing with their littermates. If they use their teeth too enthusiastically the game will end one way or another. Either their littermate will yell in pain and stop playing or they may end up fighting.
Remember that dogs only have one defence if they are in pain, frightened or cornered and that is to use teeth. This does not make a bad dog it is simply dog behaviour!
Your job is to teach the dog that teeth on human skin are not allowed! You also need to teach him to have a soft mouth.
To help him learn to inhibit his bite you need to act like a playmate.
Never use your hands or body as a toy when playing with your puppy. Instead use a suitable toy.
If your puppy catches your skin or clothes when you are playing yell ‘ouch’ – a good high pitched yell is needed as though he really hurt you. Get up, move away from your puppy and stop playing. Redirect his teeth onto something more acceptable, a stuffed Kong, the cardboard innards of toilet roll or kitchen roll, a toy or a raw hide chew. (Don’t give your puppy cheap plastic toys to chew as they can be dangerous if swallowed.)
Many puppies under 14 weeks will back off when you yell then come back and lick you. Praise and redirect the play onto something appropriate.
Some puppies will see the yell as a cue to lunge at you even harder. These puppies are usually over stimulated, over tired or perhaps Terriers! Do not shout at your puppy, use a water pistol or scruff shake simply remain calm, get up and walk away.
Insure your puppy is getting enough rest during the day – especially if you have children. Place your puppy on a good diet as some diets have been implicated in effecting behaviour. Make sure that everyone in the household treats your puppy the same way.
Children should always be supervised when they interact with your puppy as young children tend to flap their arms around squealing which only excites the puppy.
Stopping a puppy play biting takes time and consistency.
Puppies will latch onto to anything that moves – your trouser leg, the bottom of your dressing gown and your toes! Why, because it gets a reaction from the owner. If this happens; stop walking. Do not get into a game of tug with your trouser leg or dressing gown. Try and redirect your puppy onto something more acceptable.
Being proactive instead of reactive will safely teach your puppy where and when he can use his teeth.
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24-11-2009, 12:21 PM
The way to teach a puppy not to bite is to take a zero tolerance for it. Your case is a good example of waiting for them to grow out of it not working. After 8 months of being allowed to bite, it will take a long period of total consistency to end it. What you and everyone else must do is yelp, pull your hand away, and leave the first time his teeth touch you. Loosing your attention is a powerful tool. It is the last thing he wants.

I never liked the squirt bottles, and have seldom used them.
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