Labman- as long As you are Prepared and organised I can't see problems. Responsibility lies with the owner
ATD x

Hi Lindsey if possible I always spay a bitch after the first season. I spay three months after the start of the first season when according to the many vets I have spoken to on the subject the hormones and internal organs have had a chance to settle down and there is less chance of hemorrhage.


My vet is of the opinion that if large large breeds in particular are spayed before the first season they have a greater chance of developing health problems and urinary incontinence and they should be allowed to reach maturity . Small breeds tend to reach maturity before larger ones and so maybe that should be taken into consideration .

I also think it is better for a puppy to be given chance to settle into a new home, to pass the first fear period and to be taken out and about to be socialised before it is spayed.
I appreciate Rescues have different criteria and it may be necessary for them to spay at a less opportune time.

Most of the 'average pet owners' who are members of Dogsey are primarily interested in the health and welfare of their dogs. They can cope with a little inconvenience and are quite capable of managing a bitch through her first season without mishap if it is in the best interests of the bitch..


I would talk to your vet about it

Just as I have said, ''average pet owners'' should leave giving advice to those with above average experience, training, and reading.

As usual, you are completely
wrong. I have had 8 females that went through their season. I also know many other people that have kept intact females including my friends that house breeding stock.

I also have about 10 years experience on dog forums reading about the people who one way or another, their female was accidentally bred. Your practice of thinking your limited personal experience is universal is incredible.

I have read the studies about the benefits of waiting. They are all just statistical studies and some of them admit the science is weak. 2 CM taller is significant?

In the real world, Beanz and I know many dog owners aren't prepared. It would be much more responsible if some of you ''experienced people'' would share precautions detailing fence jumping, breeding through a chain link fence, knocking the owner down going out the door, destroying a crate, knocking a kennel off it bad, etc. Or maybe you really aren't experienced enough to know about some of what happens. We have a terrible problem with unwanted puppies without homes. It is unfortunate so many of the people here are part of the problem, instead of helping to encourage spay/neutering.

Sadly this doesn't include you Labman as many here have ascertained from your previous posts .

Labman you are hardly in any position to lecture anyone about decisions they make about their dogs when you have such a careless disregard for the puppies in your care.


The very poorest of pet owners on here would be unlikely to keep a puppy caged up most of the time on wire mesh without water or bedding as you advocate. I have yet to see a pet owner on here advocate holding a puppy up by the middle leaving its legs to dangle until it cease to wriggle and submits, or to use a cruel method like a mouse trap to train a puppy, all things advocated by you and supposedly by the nameless organization you represent.

You refuse repeated requests by members here to state the organisation to which you belong and are so happy to quote .I know a number of GDFTB puppy walkers who are only to happy to name the organisation to which they belong but then they have no fear of being reported for dog abuse.

Before you start criticizing members here you would do well to look at your own methods of dog rearing.

Isn't it about time this joker was removed from the forum? I'm getting fed up with him blowing his own trumpet about his incredible depth of experience/imaginary dogs/imaginary guide dog school.

we had a post not so long ago about bitch in season, with entire male in the house, i think you will find a lot of people sugested very good precautions. we all know about jumping fences, i myself have talked about this problem with my male. contancy prblems are more likely to occur in spayed prior to the 1st season, these owners who are unprepered to take responsibility for bitches in season, will they be prepared to keep the dog when they messing every night??? What makes you more experience than the rest of us??

actually i would agree, most of his posts are either agressive or rude. why are they not moderated?

The real question is why is Labradork allowed to call me a joker?

I assume you have been called 'a joker' because many members find your posts laughable. Only the other day you told one poor member with a bitch due in season that '' other dogs may kill ''her puppy.

Labradork is allowed an opinion just as you. I seem to remember you called someone an idiot .

If you or anyone else has a complaint about remarks made they are free to press the report post button and Admin will take a look.