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14-07-2010, 07:28 PM
Poodles need to be well presented in the ring but some people go over the top. Some people also use it to hide their dogs faults So personally I would prefer poodles were shown in pet trims because I'm sure there would be a few suprises

With handlers dressing.. I don't like people looking casual in the ring even at open shows because it just looks scruffy at times. Doesn't take much to wear a pair of smart trousers and a nice top or whatever. Also don't like black dogs against black clothing! For Crufts I think I'll buy something new
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14-07-2010, 07:40 PM
I can see both sides to this - yes it's a dog show and dogs should be well presented BUT some judges do choose flashier coated dogs over sound movers etc. In my breed dogs should never be flashy or too showy, they should be a rustic natural looking dog, but you see some that have had their undercarriages trimmed or the coat bounces like a L'oreal advert! I generally do bath Rio before a show as she is light fawn and shows the dirt, and she gets a quick once over before we go i the ring but I would never dream of trimming her as some people do. (She's butt naked anyway at the moment so no need.) As long as the judge is looking at the whole picture though - movement, conformation, temperament AS WELL AS the coat that's fair enough. As for what I wear, I wear jeans and a smart top for open shows and a suit for champ shows, although I didn't put my suit on in Ireland as the champ shows over there were just like open shows over here and I didn't feel they warranted dressing up. I've never known judges penalise people for what they are wearing, after all has anyone seen what a lot of the GSD people wear at champ shows? And the guy whose Komondor won BOB at Crufts was in jeans and an army jacket in the main ring!
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14-07-2010, 08:08 PM
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Why would you exhibit under a friend?
Not a close friend but your forgetting were such a small breed we all socialise out of the ring if we didnt go under each other there wouldnt be a class we could enter. Our C list has about 25 names on it only the majority of which are breed specialist.
However we like to think we're all fair and impartial and judge the dog.
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14-07-2010, 08:33 PM
Originally Posted by morganstar View Post
Not a close friend but your forgetting were such a small breed we all socialise out of the ring if we didnt go under each other there wouldnt be a class we could enter. Our C list has about 25 names on it only the majority of which are breed specialist.
However we like to think we're all fair and impartial and judge the dog.
Yep, we are sometimes in the same boat. In a numerically small breed sometimes there's no avoiding it.
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14-07-2010, 08:52 PM
Originally Posted by morganstar View Post
Not a close friend but your forgetting were such a small breed we all socialise out of the ring if we didnt go under each other there wouldnt be a class we could enter. Our C list has about 25 names on it only the majority of which are breed specialist.
However we like to think we're all fair and impartial and judge the dog.
The breed seriously need new blood then, never going to get any better if its in that state. I dont mean that in a negative way, just that expansion must be the way foreward, judges from abroad maybe?
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14-07-2010, 09:22 PM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn View Post
The breed seriously need new blood then, never going to get any better if its in that state. I dont mean that in a negative way, just that expansion must be the way foreward, judges from abroad maybe?
Dont forget theres only a few born a year and we even are friendly with the judges abroad.
To be honest its not a problem as most of us judge the dog not the handler as it should be in all cases.
Also because we have health problems were all in the same boat the dogs that arent carriers for epilepsy go sterile very young and abroad have worse problems.
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15-07-2010, 07:55 AM
Originally Posted by Blu View Post
Poodles need to be well presented in the ring but some people go over the top. Some people also use it to hide their dogs faults So personally I would prefer poodles were shown in pet trims because I'm sure there would be a few suprises

With handlers dressing.. I don't like people looking casual in the ring even at open shows because it just looks scruffy at times. Doesn't take much to wear a pair of smart trousers and a nice top or whatever. Also don't like black dogs against black clothing! For Crufts I think I'll buy something new
But dont forget when the judge puts his/her hands over the dog, they will pick up those faults, if a dog is conformationally unsound, it will show up when they move!!

RE- dress, I agree, its not hard to make a bit of an effort on yourself, after all you have spent all that time making your dog look presentable,
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15-07-2010, 10:23 AM
IMO An incorrectly presented coated dog can make or break it in the ring. Excessive coat on elbows for example can give the impression of it being out at the elbows on the move. Too much coat on the inside hind pasterns can give the illusion of the dog moving close behind. lumpy coats can give a straight backed breed a roached or rolling topline. On the stack a quick go over can see through 'false faults' but on the move you can only judge what you see. I prefer the ess on the bottom. I'm not a judge but if both these dogs were under me, both moved equally well and were as identical in structure as they appear in the photos then the dog that was presented well would win.
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15-07-2010, 11:33 AM
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But dont forget when the judge puts his/her hands over the dog, they will pick up those faults, if a dog is conformationally unsound, it will show up when they move!!

RE- dress, I agree, its not hard to make a bit of an effort on yourself, after all you have spent all that time making your dog look presentable,
At open shows because there is hardly any poodles the judges normaly just go for the most glamours looking poodle (or a face) because they don't have experiance. At champ shows a judge has admitted she gave a RCC because the dog looked well groomed and good stacked but as soon as it moved..

I'm awful when it comes to picking clothes for showing. Have about 5 dif outfits. Some are only for outdoors because they are a bit darker so I don't like wearing them unless it's light outside
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15-07-2010, 11:59 AM
I have to agree with what Dawn has said on the presentation.Although good construction and sound movement are more important i do think that basic presentation is a must.To me that means a good clean brushed coat,clean ears,eyes,nails and teeth, i dont think there is any excuse for taking a dog in the ring without those basics covered.That would deter me in placing a dog as it shows no effort has been made.Have to say its not much of an issue for me in Beagles as they are very much 'wash & go' which is just how i like it and how my breed should be.I have seen critiques from judges i have shown under that have started by praising the fact that there were 'a pleasing group of well presented hounds' meaning basic presentation,clean coats etc..
Have never tarted mine up as such,i just make sure they are bathed a few days prior so the coat is not too soft,maybe a quick rewash of the white areas on the night prior to a show an earcheck and on the day its a good brush, Mine always have clean ears and teeth anyway and their nails are always a good length from walks so i never need to trim them.

I can see what you are saying though Rips
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