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20-10-2010, 03:09 PM
Originally Posted by Minihaha View Post
Can I add it is possible to buy a small strap which clips on to the collar and the harness so if the dog slips the harness it can't escape ....



...it's called the Safety Strap from Culpeppers
You can....but having had a dog who (we tried one of these on her one behaviorists advise some years ago) could get out of it...again - not fail safe I'm afraid.

(She was a BC (or bcx?) who could get out of anything if she wanted to!)
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20-10-2010, 07:04 PM
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They use check chains & slips as there is less chance of a Dog backing out of one.

They are quick & easy to put on & take off too.
and used correctly, they will not cause any problems - they can be used to train dogs and actually help to teach the dog something which a harness never will.

Mine wear them like loose necklaces.

Having said all that - it is important that they are put on and used correctly.
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20-10-2010, 07:05 PM
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and used correctly, they will not cause any problems - they can be used to train dogs and actually help to teach the dog something which a harness never will.
Yeah...fear.
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20-10-2010, 10:13 PM
Originally Posted by Tassel View Post
You can....but having had a dog who (we tried one of these on her one behaviorists advise some years ago) could get out of it...again - not fail safe I'm afraid.

(She was a BC (or bcx?) who could get out of anything if she wanted to!)
Hi Tassle , no not 100% fail safe nothing is.
The strap attaches the harness to an ordinary collar so even if the dog backs out of the harness it remains attached to the collar via the harness giving one time to transfer the lead from the harness to the collar and preventing the dog from escaping . The safety strap certainly helps to give an extra degree of safety.
I have used one on a mad Springer who had a habit of stopping abruptly and backing out of his harness and I found it worked very well.
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20-10-2010, 10:16 PM
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Hi Tassle , that's surprising, the strap attaches the harness to an ordinary collar so even if the dog backs out of the harness it remains attached to the collar via the harness giving one time to transfer the lead from the harness to the collar and preventing the dog from escaping . Not a 100% safe nothing is but it certainly helps to give an extra degree of safety.
I have used one on a mad Springer who had a habit of stepping suddenly and backing out of his harness and I found it worked very well.
Skip had developed a way of slipping out of the harness and collar at the same time -god knows how - but there was not a lot that would keep her in if she wanted to go....
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20-10-2010, 10:26 PM
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Skip had developed a way of slipping out of the harness and collar at the same time -god knows how - but there was not a lot that would keep her in if she wanted to go....
Hi Tassle, there is always one isn't there

I certainly feel safer using a strap after Zak the Springer gave me the slip and left me holding a lead and empty harness . We were in a field so it wasn't a problem, it might have been a different story on the road.

(Apologies, I hadn't finished sorting out the post above so that it made sense before you quoted me )
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21-10-2010, 06:01 AM
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Yeah...fear.
how in gods name do you work that out?

A harness will never train a dog to walk correctly on a lead - on young dogs they can damage the skeletal system.

A chain or slip lead used correctly will train the dog how to walk properly - note the use of the word CORRECTLY - used incorrectly, yes potentially fear and damage - but not when used correctly.
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21-10-2010, 08:18 AM
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how in gods name do you work that out?

A harness will never train a dog to walk correctly on a lead - on young dogs they can damage the skeletal system.

A chain or slip lead used correctly will train the dog how to walk properly - note the use of the word CORRECTLY - used incorrectly, yes potentially fear and damage - but not when used correctly.
But that's exactly the trouble ~ will all dog owners know the potential for injury, damage & fright that these sort of devices can cause? They may work well in the hands of experienced dog owners & trainers, but in other hands, they could cause untold damage, be fitted & used incorrectly & possibly on young, still growing dogs.

I don't know which harnesses you mean when you say they can damage the skeletal system, but the ones I use shouldn't do this. I use the ones with the padded chest piece, no narrow straps, nothing that can tighten or chafe, so if the dog pulls the strain is spread over the chest & shoulders, not on one small area of soft tissue like the neck; plus there's no twisting of the head/neck that you can get with haltis & the like.

But there's nothing like good old-fashioned training to teach a dog to walk on a loose lead. I prefer the term "teaching to walk on a loose lead" as this infers that the onus is on the person holding the lead to teach something positive. If the process is described as stopping a dog pulling on the lead, the connotations are more negative, you are stopping something that the dog appears motivated to do, by using punishment or negative reinforcement.

Whereas if you rephrase it as teaching the dog something good, there's far more chance that an owner would be prepared to go back to basics & teach something in a more positive manner.
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21-10-2010, 08:29 AM
Originally Posted by swarthy View Post
and used correctly, they will not cause any problems - they can be used to train dogs and actually help to teach the dog something which a harness never will.

Mine wear them like loose necklaces.

Having said all that - it is important that they are put on and used correctly.
I really don`t think you`ve had much experience of panicked dogs, from this post. A reactive dog spins and leaps - there isn`t time to play him like a fish on a line - you end up tied up in a lead and the dog strangling itself wound round your leg. The OP is talking about taking unknown dogs out, who may not be socialised or trained. In these circumstances you don`t know what the dog will do - you don`t even know the dog that well.
There is a world of difference in you walking your trusting dog, who is comfortable at your side, and taking a strange dog out in strange territory.
If the dog reacts on a check or slip, the noose tightens, causing pain. The dog is further convinced that the experience is bad. It re-enforces the fear. The object is not just to get the dog out of the kennel, it is to socialise him. If it turns into a fight it is not helping the dog.
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21-10-2010, 08:34 AM
Originally Posted by swarthy;2071274...
A chain or slip lead used correctly will train the dog how to walk properly - note the use of the word CORRECTLY - used incorrectly, yes potentially fear and damage - but not when used correctly.
I don't agree that a properly fitted harness will damage the young skeletal system, is there any particular harness you have in mind, though?

I used to use choke chains back in the 1980s when it was all Barabara Woodhouse. I think she would say she was using them correctly, as would the ghastly Koehler.

What do you feel is the "correct" use?
To be honest, the suggested, "correct" use historically is to jerk the dog hard back towards the owner

Basically punishing any movement past the owner.
Also "correct" fitting etc, yes.



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