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10-02-2011, 10:46 PM
Originally Posted by Krusewalker 
the intense burst of the run up and attacking of the ball.
nothing else matters, all emotion and energy is concentrated upon the prey....all sensory input and output is channelled into nought but this objective.
hence why the dogs go crazy and cannot be diverted onto treats etc and the collies jump up at the owners at the end either ragging their sleeves or the tuggie
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10-02-2011, 10:47 PM
Originally Posted by Krusewalker
the intense burst of the run up and attacking of the ball.
nothing else matters, all emotion and energy is concentrated upon the prey....all sensory input and output is channelled into nought but this objective.
hence why the dogs go crazy and cannot be diverted onto treats etc and the collies jump up at the owners at the end either ragging their sleeves or the tuggie
We did have a terrier who treated it as a prey game...but she never brought the ball back.....I also had a BC who treated it as a herding game...chasing the other dog (although she was very Ball obsessed - she would also not retrieve once she realised the balls were reloaded)
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10-02-2011, 10:56 PM
Originally Posted by Krusewalker
that post was about flyball
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10-02-2011, 11:01 PM
Originally Posted by Tassle
I would agree - if the dogs were not retrieving. The Ball does not move enough IMO (I have always done BFA Flyball - minimal ball movement). As speed is the objective in the game - the retrieve is as important....
We did have a terrier who treated it as a prey game...but she never brought the ball back.....I also had a BC who treated it as a herding game...chasing the other dog (although she was very Ball obsessed - she would also not retrieve once she realised the balls were reloaded)
hunting animals can also end with a 'retrieve'.
so all those components of flyball you describe are still characteristics and expressions of the prey drive.
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10-02-2011, 11:05 PM
Originally Posted by Krusewalker
the dog is pelting at speed toward the prey object (the ball) regardless of whether or not the ball moves more or less (as would be the case with a live animal).
hunting animals can also end with a 'retrieve'.
so all those components of flyball you describe are still characteristics and expressions of the prey drive.
I think by the time the dog is an Adult, there is a notable difference between the 2.
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10-02-2011, 11:07 PM
Originally Posted by Tassle
I will disagree. I see it in a different way.
I think by the time the dog is an Adult, there is a notable difference between the 2.
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10-02-2011, 11:08 PM
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10-02-2011, 11:16 PM
Originally Posted by Krusewalker
i dont see the age has any relevance?
Not sure where the split happens though - trying to think back with Tassle (and now Zeff - with him I think it has been very recent - he is 11 months)....maybe it happens when they first make a kill.
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10-02-2011, 11:20 PM
Originally Posted by Tassle
IMO - (as I said in previous post) - the play drive develops from prey drive - puppy practising adult behaviours. The play drive continues as the owner continues to reinforce the game....prey drive develops differently with more specific intent.
i dont think the play drive develops from prey drive, i think it is the prey drive
puppy practising adult behaviours of the preydrive
Not sure where the split happens though - trying to think back with Tassle (and now Zeff - with him I think it has been very recent - he is 11 months)....maybe it happens when they first make a kill.
the owner isnt reinforcing the game, he is offering the dog an outlet for his prey drive.
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