Not looking at the link as it's ONE case.
Not sure why on earth you think I'm trying to make you feel guilty? Just stated the fact, two kids are worth it to society, the others, worthless, until they need to pay tax. Fact is if people are so irresponsible to have more than two when they can't afford it with CB what makes you think they will stop when they are £14 down a week having a third..

At the end of the day the families in the programme are paying their own way, if they claim what they are entitled to, so what, they are ENTITLED to and not breaking the law. Joiners can make very good money and it looked to me like the other family owned a busy bakery. So it's their decision if they want 15 kids.

Agree too! Well said!

(Couldn't do the first quote!)

Helen

Right, now you're all done preaching about how you're all such better parents than myself and my wife, let me explain to you how WE view our role in OUR children's lives. As I've already said I only refer to them as my wife's children/step children for the sake of pointing out that I did not give birth. I request that if you're going to criticize the way WE are parenting that you address our family in the appropriate way. I am not a step mother, I am their other mother, I have not disrespected you and your parenting choices so do not disrespect ours.

My wife and I have a different viewpoint to most people in general society, however, everyone I went to school with (EVERYONE, not one single exception and there were nearly 100 of us in my year!) went to Uni and moved out straight afterwards. My wife unfortunately didn't go to Uni she left her parent's to move in with her ex, something she regrets, the children would never be made to leave to move in with a partner, they know that at 18 they will be moving to go to University. They are being encouraged to be independent, well-adjusted, confident children and moving out to go to University at 18 will give them the confidence to follow the paths in life they wish to. They are academically very bright, they will create excellent careers I have no doubt, and they will be welcome to stay during the University holidays and post graduation they will be expected to begin their careers and lives independently from us. They will always be welcome to visit, and if for example something happened like they were in a violent relationship/made redundant etc then we would of course offer somewhere for them to stay in an emergency situation, however, they will never live with us permanently, nor will they ever live with a partner under our roof, or have children whilst living with us (again, just to point out so that there is no confusion, if their partners and children come with them to stay briefly then that is fine!)

I live quite close to my father at the moment, but I have lived all over the country, hours and hours away from him, he will probably move abroad when he retires, and no chance in this world would I stop him or even believe I have a say in the matter. I am an adult in my own right and he is also one, he is my dad but he does not parent me! Rachel lives 7 hours away from her father and siblings (her mother passed away nearly 2 years ago) and has done since the age of 19. Parents aren't there to bail you out, we will always be happy to advise the children regarding their decisions. The children know what is expected of them, and are both excited about their careers, our daughter wants to be a vet in Africa and our son wants to be a biochemist. Obviously this will probably change, but they have high aspirations for their futures and we will obviously continue to be proud of them, and support their choices.

Perhaps it is a difference in backgrounds, but we believe that encouraging the children to live an independent and successful life is the way forwards, not babying them and giving them excuses not to work hard for their futures. My friends are dotted around the globe, working in wonderful high powered professions, others are now married with children of their own, they were all encouraged in the same way we are encouraging our children to create their own paths in life - what wonderful and exciting paths they are!

I will not judge you for your parenting choices, I request that you do not judge ours.

This thread was not about who is the best parent on dogsey, or indeed about our own personal lives, it was about a TV show, I suggest future posts remain on topic and personal insults towards me and my wife and our family cease, our children are very happy, well-rounded, mature and well-educated, we are sacrificing a lot to give them the best education our money can buy, just as my parents did. I adored my parents, and I still do, and I am so so grateful for all they did for me, including encouraging me to move out and make a life for myself without relying on them post University! If you think we are wrong, that is your opinion, please keep it to yourself.

Thank you.

I am not being judgmental but the following comments by you make me feel exceedingly uncomfortable.

For a start - what happens if they do not get into University?

"Always welcome to visit"? "Of course offer somewhere for them to stay in an emergency situation"? And the rest of it?

Sorry, but you do not have the slightest idea what being a parent means.

apologies my wireless reset and reposted the last page I was on....my reply to this thread hence sending it twice.

I have every idea of what being a parent means! How bloody dare you! EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE who meets our children says they're the most polite well behaved children they've ever met! Spanning from family, friends, shop assistants, travel agents etc to award winning surgeons who I am being treated by or who I am working with. Always praise us for their behaviour. We never have to worry about how they will behave.

If they don't get into University, they will do what my parents did - they will get a job, and they will buy or rent their own property. They already have savings accounts and are sensible with any pocket money and we have contributed to their savings and will continue to do so until they are adults (ie eighteen years of age).

There is a large gap between cultures and different members of society, which you don't have to look too far around to see - it is apparent now more than ever. So I suggest you stop commenting on how we're bringing up our children, it is starting to REALLY insult me.

May I introduce my wife (Lorna's Rachy) who is currently sitting next to me replying, to this thread, I should warn you all, she speaks her mind and is less conscious of not offending than I, I should also point out, you've offended her....good luck with that....

I'm nearly 29 and my Mother still bails me out!
I moved out at 19 (ok, a few doors down the road), she still did my washing and cooked for me!
I got my own house at 22, and I am self employed in my own business...but guess who helped me....My Mum!
Not all 18 year olds want to go to uni.
I am well adjusted, independant and self-confident....living with/without parents doesn't make you those things!
My best friend is the same age as me, still lives with parents in their house, her Mum still cooks for her, washes her clothes.....but she has a job and works hard, and has her own little 'wing' of the house.
She can't afford to get her own mortgage, and doesn't have a partner to help her.........Dog forbid if her parents didn't let her live there...she would be homeless!

Kids don't HAVE to live alone to make a life for themselves, and I'm glad I know I can sell up and move in with my Mum ANY TIME I need to.

How Bloody dare you! I have listened to many of the comments on this thread that disagree with our way of life. Weather it is homophobia or differences in cultures I am unsure but for whatever reason you disagree that is your prerogative. However you have no right at all to judge!!!!!!
We live our lives without interfering with others lives, we do not judge.
I see the world as a place to be explored and to be enjoyed as it is a beautiful place. To listen to the hateful comments on here directed to my wife and I is deeply offensive!
Perhaps you should all live your little lives without judging. who the hell gives you the right? In a diverse world of many cultures small minded people spout hate, look in the mirror that is you!

That is your parent's, your friend's parents etc choices, this is ours. We will always be there to support them, we love them, and will never see them homeless, they can come and stay if needed, BUT they need to fly the nest. This is our choice. No one can criticize us or judge us. This is our method of parenting, we all parent differently, this is ours.