Got to agree thats it depends on the individual dog.If I shout at my Asa he would DIE if I ignored him for more than 5 mins ...however Frankie I could shout at and ignore for the rest of the day and he STILL wouldn't learn
Nikki

Thanks peeps -Murph is as stubborn as a mule so I can feel a hard slog coming on -we confine Murph to the kitchen when we are out and we put Macey in the bathroom -for the time being and we are watching them both like hawks
Steve says he feels like John Inman ..all he seems to say is ....''Shut that door '' !!