As for the debate about aversion methods vs reward methods involving 'treats'. I'm VERY OLD. And have never used reward treat methods to train any dog I've owned. They weren't on the menu 30 or more years ago. Positive praise is the method I use. YES it takes longer - a lot longer (and it does require constant and DAILY reinforcement - no way I could have done what Gnasher says she will do with this DA Black Lab for the aggression stuff - wait for a day or time convenient to me becoz I'm 'busy' - it's a daily all day ongoing process and you keep it up every day even when it isn't 'needed'. But it then works even if you don't have a pocketful of dried liver. Or a dog that isn't interested in treats or hardly even interested in eating its dinner! (I've had two of those - my Bella is one of them) but then I don't really care if it takes me a WHOLE YEAR to train my dog to a good recall. Once she's got it, she's got it for good, reinforced every day even if never needed. And all she need is a GOOD GIRL Bella and a tickle on her chest. I'd rather stick a needle in my EYE than give my dog an electric shock.

Well that is why the law is an ass then because the e collar cannot work if you do not have the remote in your pocket - ipso facto, you are not breaking the law.

Well, in my opinion they are. They are very very different from non-wolf crosses.

Our perimeter fence in our garden is a herringbone style. You can see through it - the gaps are big enough for a chihuahua to squeeze through, but not Ben or Tai of course. But they can see through - and see Ben did when our neighbours came past with their black labrador and golden retriever.

Gnasher has said several times that Ben doesn't need the collar now, if this is true why is she prepared to break the law if these collars are made illegal.

The man who first done the research on wolves now says he got it wrong, it was done with captive wolves not wild ones. The pack theory in wolves and dogs doesn't exist but Gnasher is still using it with her dogs. Unfortunately she went to a man who hasn't kept up to date with dogs and training them.

Surely yes Hal, Ben's father, was 4th generation. Making Ben 5th. Very watered down, but still there.

We fostered an F1 pup for a few weeks - Bruce - at 9 weeks old. He was a character.

He learned from watching us just once how to get ice on the refrigerator. He would jump up, push down and hold his paw firmly on the trigger, and bounce with excitement as all the ice cubes came tumbling out!! And he would wake me up in the morning by biting my nose. I still have to pinch myself to think I used to sleep with an F1 wolf.

It is indeed. If you are capable of handling them and rolling with the punches, you can have an amazing dog and an amazing life, but they are too much for most people.

But surely clearly too much for you if you need an e-collar?

F1, is that legal in the UK?

But surely clearly too much for you if you need an e-collar?