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23-11-2006, 05:43 PM
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Death is not the worst fate an animal can face. I am not a vegetarian nor do I shun dairy products so it would be hypocritical of me to critisise anybody who raises animals for the benefits of themselves rather than any benefit to the animal. I will, however, always feel strongly that animals are respected and given the best life and gentlest death possible.

There was no need for them to die in the first place.

The fact is, as one of the posters said, this is supposed to be a "dog-lovers" forum, not a "dog-lovers, but I sometimes think it's better to cull" forum.
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23-11-2006, 05:59 PM
In our GSD rescue any bitches that come in pregnant(not many thank goodness)are either spayed before the puppies are born if it is safe to do so or all or most of the puppies PTS soon after birth depending on the bitches health

Why are we so very very evil killing lovely little cuddly puppies ?

We have no idea of the breeding behind the puppies so could be brother sister, crossed with god knows what, one or both parents could have HD, OCD, be haemophillia carriers etc etc, the bitch may only be a puppy herself(this is one of the most common & we have had 7 month old bitches handed over in whelp) or the bitch could be malnourished & or ill etc etc etc

We have had an epileptic bitch literally dumped(tied up to the front gate post) heavily in whelp to allow her puppies to live & more than likely be epileptic as well & then to have to find them forever homes after telling the would be owners about the epilepsy-chances would be around nil for rehoming the puppies let alone the mother probably fitting whilst whelping & nursing the puppies

Sorry but "culling"of this sort is a necessity. We have over 400 + healthy adult dogs go through the rescue every year If we had X breed puppies to rehome, socialise, raise etc how many of the adults would not be able to be taken in & rehomed & would be PTS instead

We have been called heartless by the all breed rescues(especially the Dogs Trust & RSPCA-they whelp & keep all the puppies from their pregnant bitches & thus often don't have room to take in adults & of course puppies are easier to sell than adults) maybe we are, but sorry that is the way things have to be in this very imperfect world we live in
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23-11-2006, 06:04 PM
Originally Posted by Radar Ears View Post
The fact is, as one of the posters said, this is supposed to be a "dog-lovers" forum, not a "dog-lovers, but I sometimes think it's better to cull" forum.
I respect your opinion as to what loving dogs might mean. I think you should respect other people's
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23-11-2006, 06:08 PM
Caring for animals can be tough. I admire you for taking on such a difficult role, JoedeeUK.
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23-11-2006, 06:17 PM
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In our GSD rescue any bitches that come in pregnant(not many thank goodness)are either spayed before the puppies are born if it is safe to do so or all or most of the puppies PTS soon after birth depending on the bitches health

Why are we so very very evil killing lovely little cuddly puppies ?

We have no idea of the breeding behind the puppies so could be brother sister, crossed with god knows what, one or both parents could have HD, OCD, be haemophillia carriers etc etc, the bitch may only be a puppy herself(this is one of the most common & we have had 7 month old bitches handed over in whelp) or the bitch could be malnourished & or ill etc etc etc

We have had an epileptic bitch literally dumped(tied up to the front gate post) heavily in whelp to allow her puppies to live & more than likely be epileptic as well & then to have to find them forever homes after telling the would be owners about the epilepsy-chances would be around nil for rehoming the puppies let alone the mother probably fitting whilst whelping & nursing the puppies

Sorry but "culling"of this sort is a necessity. We have over 400 + healthy adult dogs go through the rescue every year If we had X breed puppies to rehome, socialise, raise etc how many of the adults would not be able to be taken in & rehomed & would be PTS instead

We have been called heartless by the all breed rescues(especially the Dogs Trust & RSPCA-they whelp & keep all the puppies from their pregnant bitches & thus often don't have room to take in adults & of course puppies are easier to sell than adults) maybe we are, but sorry that is the way things have to be in this very imperfect world we live in
I dont think anyone has said it is cruel and evil for rescues have to pts dogs, a horrible necessity, however surely that is vastly differnt to purposely breeding a dog knowing it would have a large litter and knowing that you would be putting the vast majority of them to sleep, just because you want a puppy.
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23-11-2006, 07:05 PM
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I dont think anyone has said it is cruel and evil for rescues have to pts dogs, a horrible necessity, however surely that is vastly differnt to purposely breeding a dog knowing it would have a large litter and knowing that you would be putting the vast majority of them to sleep, just because you want a puppy.

Precisely.
Yes sometimes rescues have to make appallingly difficult decisions but those decisions are not the result of the rescues causing the problem of too many dogs for too few homes.
The Longdog breeder did deliberately cause pups to be born just to be killed and that is a disgraceful obscenity.
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23-11-2006, 07:57 PM
Do you drink milk, Patch, or use any other dairy products?
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23-11-2006, 08:30 PM
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Do you drink milk, Patch, or use any other dairy products?
What is the relevence to the thread please ?
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23-11-2006, 09:10 PM
Because dairy calves are caused to be born just to be killed to supply a demand of man. Whilst, I am sure, like me you would wish that to be done with the least distress to the calf and the cow I cannot see the difference.
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23-11-2006, 09:20 PM
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Because dairy calves are caused to be born just to be killed to supply a demand of man. Whilst, I am sure, like me you would wish that to be done with the least distress to the calf and the cow I cannot see the difference.
Shot sometimes before they hit the ground, but we all need milk on our cornflakes dont we!
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