I cant help it I like Cesar and I think his methods will save many dogs that would otherwise of been PTS.
I do think he only deals with aggression would like to see his methods with more scared and abused dogs.

Sadly that's not true. I am on a US training list and know of a few trainers who have picked up the pieces after his visits

As with most dog tv programmes, what you see isn't always what is true - and most dogs on his programme are not going to be otherwise pts I'm quite sure. They may say that..

Trainers and behaviourists in the UK and other countries deal with the sort of "problems" he sees all the time.

The only difference is that he's on tv and uses different techniques (ie ones that are completely over the top and are so not needed to alter behaviour, such as hanging, pinning etc) rather than use accepted modification methods which others use.



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Well the dogs with aggression I have seen I would PTS would not take the risk so I do believe he saves their lives.
He deals with usually big powerful dogs that can mame and kill his methods will obviously have to be tougher.

I dont think methods have to be tougher, I do think when dealing with large breed dogs with issues you have to have a lot of nerve,

the myth that you need to be hard on them is a bit of a thing that runs hand in hand with large dogs, its that myth that can cause problems.

Just because a dog is big doesn`t mean it can`t be terrified or hurt. Or shy, or unsure or in pain. Just because a dog is big it doesn`t mean it`s OK to be violent to them.
If people can manage horses (a lot bigger and stronger than any dog) without pinning them and shocking and bullying them they should be able to manage a dog without violence.

Been away for the weekend, so only just able to reply

You asked...

And my reply was that we form and judge opinions of many things in life without personal experience.. not particularly from this forum, but in every single aspect of life..

We read the papers, we form opinions on who/ what , on the mere fact we have either read/or seen it on the TV...

Just as we do on this and any other forum we frequent..

How many times do you read a story on her, someones dog bit someones dog, pick a subject, and tell me you dont make a decision on what you read... is that not forming an opinion second hand

Read an article in the papers, you form an opinion.. you dont need to have met who the article is about to judge or voice an opinion...

Using Labman, was simple an example to the fact , we judge without having personal experience of the subject.

True , but this is not the only forum, and you will find many who are equally biased to the other side

That's up to him and how he forms an opinion, again, there are plenty of TV coverage to back your opinions on.





Not sure how you come to that conclusion, as you are quite good at doing so yourself..

As you are very good at informing others that their judgement on their own dogs is incorrect....

As on more than one occasion, you have informed members they have it wrong on their dogs pack structure making judgements on what you read without seeing for your self

I dont think that will ever happen, as your posts will verify that.


Didn't I say that, we make personal opinions on what we read/see and hear second or third hand every day!!



True, as in many things we ask or seek other people opinions on many subject, then form an opinion on their judgment... i.e recommendations for restaurants/holiday/ food, the list is endless.

And as for pizza, yep, would form an opinion on the packaging... if it looks disgusting it proberbly is



People will form opinions whether they have watched read or just heard second third hand stories


Yep been there, and I would say to you after a day in the fields you need a good wash

But after you had done your daily choirs, and had your bath, you would look like you have.

My observation is that SE..LOOKS... like he needs a good bath,,,, and that is MY personal opinion

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That's OK, because I dont take much of what you say seriously either... so no hard feelings..

Not sure whose dogs these are, but the route to go is a vet visit, as behaviour can be caused by medical problems, then a reputable behaviourist.
If you are a behaviourist, you deal with what comes your way usually, at least the top bods do A friend of mine who is APBC (reputable organisation in the UK) has dealt with many in all sizes, including English mastiffs who were attacking their owners.

What I'm trying to say is that it's normal for them. These are women as well as men, sorting out problems using the science of learning, and helping people out quietly not on tv.


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Well said Shona

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No you dont have to be harder on big dogs but you need to have the strength to physically restrain them should they attack.
I had a very large 58kg muscle machine snap at me yesterday now if he had proper flipped I would of severely struggled to defend myself in comparision to a lab or a springer that I have had turn on me.

Cant agree here, there is NO way most people are PHYSICALLY strong enough to restrain a very large powerful dog. The very reason we can keep them is that we control them with our voice and with training, never with strength.