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31-12-2010, 09:29 AM
Whilst it's a sad story I am not sure what your point is. Firstly not sure how accurate you can take this report to be seeing as they quote the breed attacked wrongly firstly saying it's a shihstsu and secondly a Sheba??

Media reports should not be taken as fact.
Also how can they prove what breed if dogs they were if they haven't been caught?

You can search the Internet for every dog attack you like and post it here but it doesn't then prove that pitbulls are dangerous only that some get crappy owners. I could google and get labs/collie/yorkie attacks etc - dies that mean they are all dangerous?





Originally Posted by gooseygander View Post
Pet dog dies after savage attack by pit bulls December 19TH 2010
A DISTRAUGHT dog owner has spoken of her horror after two pit bulls burst into her home and savaged her pet Shih Tzu.
Hazel Pearce, said the two Irish pit bulls ran into her living room after her husband opened the front door to take the rubbish out, smashing through a dog gate and attacking their dog, Sheba.
“They just ripped her to shreds,” said Mrs. Pearce said. “One of her eyes was hanging out after they’d finished with her and she was bleeding all over. It was like something out of a horror film.”
The pit bulls’ owner eventually followed the dogs into the house but was unable to stop the attack until the miniature Sheba had sustained serious injuries.
“I was just in shock,” said Mrs. Pearce. “We knew we had to get her to a vet as soon as possible so we picked her up and rushed off to get help immediately.
“I can’t describe how awful she looked. Her hair had been ripped off and there was blood everywhere. The vet said they’d never seen anything like it.”
Despite the best efforts of the vet, Sheba had to put down because of the severity of her injuries.
Police are now investigating the attack, which took place last Saturday, and are trying to trace the owner of the pit bulls.
“To have something like this happen in your own home is terrifying,” said Mrs. Pearce. “I can’t understand why their owner didn’t have them on a lead.
“Those vicious beasts should be put down. Next time it might be a child they savage to death.”
A police spokeswoman said: “We have been trying to contact the owner but he has disappeared.
“We are appealing to the owner to contact us as soon as possible so we can progress our enquiries.”
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31-12-2010, 09:46 AM
Originally Posted by Azz View Post
It seems there are a lot of threads leading to this at the moment, so better to have it one place.

Do you think Pit Bull Terriers (The ones that are banned in the UK and many other places) are dangerous? IF SO SAY WHY.

Do you think they are not dangerous? IF SO SAY WHY.

Before getting involved in the discussion, please make sure your first post in this thread makes your position clear on the topic.

ONLY take part in this discussion if you are willing to provide reasons to back up your views, we don't want any empty comments, but a proper discussion.
When i was a child, i lived in Africa. Friends of my parents had 2 American Pitbull pups and they were the most adorable pups. I helped to train them and they we highly intellegent. Unfortunately as they grew larger, they were left to roam free and the training was kicked to the curb. Sadly these dogs became feral and ended up having to be PTS -- The female for serious mental issues and aggression and the other, male, because he had been kicked in the testicles whilst mating and his penis was broken as well as other dreadful things. The male was not aggressive and my particular favourite.

I am of the opinion that some dogs, regardless of breed, will have mental issues that cannot be controlled. I think that APT have been bred with some serious mental glitches through poor breeding but then i am not a breeder and so am probably wrong there

Regarding Pitbulls, my experience of them is a good experience but they must have a firm and knowledgeable owner.

I think that they are incredibly dangerous if they are not brought up properly but equally a beautiful, soppy and loyal pet if well socialised, trained and loved.
(meant to add, if mentally sound)
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31-12-2010, 09:50 AM
Originally Posted by Hevvur View Post
Are guns dangerous without someone to pull the trigger?
Are knives dangerous without someone to hold them?
Are dogs dangerous without someone on the other end of the lead.

Humans have shaped dogs into what they are today.
Everything dogs do is because humans have asked/taught the dog to do it - weather that be hearing sheep, being a guide dog, being a pet dog, show dog, rescuing people, and even fighting.
Every single action above, the dog does because the human asked it to.
I don't believe any particular breed of dog is dangerous.
Like everyone always says - it's how they are brought up.

I believe if ANY dog is brought up in a 'family' environment, not made to fighting/barking/lunging etc, and have their energy channeled properly, that they will turn out a happy and well adjusted dog.

As always, precautions must be made - but no more so for the pit bull, than for the Yorkshire terrier.

What this person said.
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31-12-2010, 11:45 AM
Originally Posted by Hevvur
I believe if ANY dog is brought up in a 'family' environment, not made to fighting/barking/lunging etc, and have their energy channeled properly, that they will turn out a happy and well adjusted dog.
I think thats far to simplistic a view.

I have such a dog in my family, she is far from well adjusted

Nature V Nurture also plays a huge part in how a dog develops.
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31-12-2010, 01:31 PM
Originally Posted by gooseygander View Post
Pet dog dies after savage attack by pit bulls December 19TH 2010
A DISTRAUGHT dog owner has spoken of her horror after two pit bulls burst into her home and savaged her pet Shih Tzu.
Hazel Pearce, said the two Irish pit bulls ran into her living room after her husband opened the front door to take the rubbish out, smashing through a dog gate and attacking their dog, Sheba.
“They just ripped her to shreds,” said Mrs. Pearce said. “One of her eyes was hanging out after they’d finished with her and she was bleeding all over. It was like something out of a horror film.”
The pit bulls’ owner eventually followed the dogs into the house but was unable to stop the attack until the miniature Sheba had sustained serious injuries.
“I was just in shock,” said Mrs. Pearce. “We knew we had to get her to a vet as soon as possible so we picked her up and rushed off to get help immediately.
“I can’t describe how awful she looked. Her hair had been ripped off and there was blood everywhere. The vet said they’d never seen anything like it.”
Despite the best efforts of the vet, Sheba had to put down because of the severity of her injuries.
Police are now investigating the attack, which took place last Saturday, and are trying to trace the owner of the pit bulls.
“To have something like this happen in your own home is terrifying,” said Mrs. Pearce. “I can’t understand why their owner didn’t have them on a lead.
“Those vicious beasts should be put down. Next time it might be a child they savage to death.”
A police spokeswoman said: “We have been trying to contact the owner but he has disappeared.
“We are appealing to the owner to contact us as soon as possible so we can progress our enquiries.”
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first post and no introduction...

Originally Posted by Brundog View Post
Whilst it's a sad story I am not sure what your point is. Firstly not sure how accurate you can take this report to be seeing as they quote the breed attacked wrongly firstly saying it's a shihstsu and secondly a Sheba??
i think Sheba was the dogs name... thats how i read it anyway
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31-12-2010, 04:07 PM
I see the media are displaying their usual commitment to providing the facts.

Irish pitbull? it could have been a rogue packet of jammy dodgers, and they wouldn't know the difference...and even if they did, you can guaranteethey'dstill get the word pitbull in there somewhere...and use a photo of an sbt to illistrate.

What's an Irish pitbull anyway? a pitbull that comesfrom ireland?
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13-01-2011, 07:09 AM
Originally Posted by lozzibear View Post


first post and no introduction...



i think Sheba was the dogs name... thats how i read it anyway
I find it very interesting that the over-riding argument from those that defend this breed, put the blame fairly and squarely on the people who own them for any indescretions that become public knowledge which follow on after attacks from an out of control Pit Bull Terrier's.
After reading through a great number of posts from the breeds champions, I can only concur they are right, there is definitely a problem with the owners/defenders of these dogs.
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13-01-2011, 09:26 AM
There are thousands of dogs that could be considered type out there living uneventful lives with their families.

Pit bull types are presently illegal so by that fact there will be a certain type of person who will be more attracted to them.

This is the very reason the dog gets bad press.

Make them legal and they will become less desirable by these numpties.
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13-01-2011, 10:41 AM
Originally Posted by gooseygander View Post
I find it very interesting that the over-riding argument from those that defend this breed, put the blame fairly and squarely on the people who own them for any indescretions that become public knowledge which follow on after attacks from an out of control Pit Bull Terrier's.
After reading through a great number of posts from the breeds champions, I can only concur they are right, there is definitely a problem with the owners/defenders of these dogs.
This doesn't even make sense.
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13-01-2011, 11:29 AM
Originally Posted by Crysania View Post
This doesn't even make sense.
I think it makes perfect sense to me. I will add though, if you have to take precaution after precaution to protect the public and their dogs from attacks by pitbulls there is no doubt something fundementally wrong with the breed, so therefore it's irrelevant who actually owns the dog or dogs.

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