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12-03-2011, 04:56 PM
Originally Posted by DevilDogz 
Ours mostly walk in, they will have a wee run about on the grass to. Really am going to get them sorted now, you must come and say Hi.
yes of course i shall say hi, will be around the ring most of the day anyway, and i plan on watching you in the ring
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12-03-2011, 05:06 PM
Originally Posted by x-clo-x
nope i agree with you. like i said the flyball dogs wear harnesses which handlers keep hold of till their dog goes for the ball, no one slates them for having hold of their dog though because of course when its not showing "its different"
as the dog is being judged for movment I was just wondering if this is a little 'cheeting' is all
although flyball isnt my thing I believe the dogs are taught a restrained recal, holding them by their harneses is part of their training so they know what is expected of them
Originally Posted by x-clo-x
yep, its like people not catching their dogs at the end of an agility run, but this is seen as ok because theyve done their run, can you imagine the bother we would have if we let the dogs in the ring with no leads, say 14, in a class, usually at least another ring either side with a different breed in, so say we have 42 dogs, all off lead, it wouldnt be responsible!! you wouldnt have 42 dogs all offlead in a park without a problem of some description occuring, so dont see why it would be acceptable in a ring.
Noone would find it acceptable for dogs to be running off at the end of runs
shows are much smaller in scotland I know but with about 5 rings only seperated by a thin strip of rope with well over 500 runs per ring there just isnt time to go running after dogs
Not to mention the large numbers of dogs q'ing ringside for their turn
and seeing as most of the dogs will be conditioned to return for their reward or to find their tuggy at the end of a run the only dogs running off would be the lowest level dogs from inexperienced handlers
I wont say it NEVER happens, but I dont see it all that much
fair nuff if you dont feel the dogs would be trusted to do their job with other dogs there, all I am complaining at is artificially holding a dogs head up, if they were offlead then the judge would be able to see how they really moved
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12-03-2011, 05:13 PM
Originally Posted by Ben Mcfuzzylugs
My question was about people changing the dogs stride - changing the way they move by using the lead to hold the head up
as the dog is being judged for movment I was just wondering if this is a little 'cheeting' is all
although flyball isnt my thing I believe the dogs are taught a restrained recal, holding them by their harneses is part of their training so they know what is expected of them
I guess I go to different agility shows
Noone would find it acceptable for dogs to be running off at the end of runs
shows are much smaller in scotland I know but with about 5 rings only seperated by a thin strip of rope with well over 500 runs per ring there just isnt time to go running after dogs
Not to mention the large numbers of dogs q'ing ringside for their turn
and seeing as most of the dogs will be conditioned to return for their reward or to find their tuggy at the end of a run the only dogs running off would be the lowest level dogs from inexperienced handlers
I wont say it NEVER happens, but I dont see it all that much
fair nuff if you dont feel the dogs would be trusted to do their job with other dogs there, all I am complaining at is artificially holding a dogs head up, if they were offlead then the judge would be able to see how they really moved
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12-03-2011, 05:24 PM
Originally Posted by Ben Mcfuzzylugs
My question was about people changing the dogs stride - changing the way they move by using the lead to hold the head up
as the dog is being judged for movment I was just wondering if this is a little 'cheeting' is all
although flyball isnt my thing I believe the dogs are taught a restrained recal, holding them by their harneses is part of their training so they know what is expected of them
I guess I go to different agility shows
Noone would find it acceptable for dogs to be running off at the end of runs
shows are much smaller in scotland I know but with about 5 rings only seperated by a thin strip of rope with well over 500 runs per ring there just isnt time to go running after dogs
Not to mention the large numbers of dogs q'ing ringside for their turn
and seeing as most of the dogs will be conditioned to return for their reward or to find their tuggy at the end of a run the only dogs running off would be the lowest level dogs from inexperienced handlers
I wont say it NEVER happens, but I dont see it all that much
fair nuff if you dont feel the dogs would be trusted to do their job with other dogs there, all I am complaining at is artificially holding a dogs head up, if they were offlead then the judge would be able to see how they really moved
Its not about not trusting them it's about logistics, you couldnt expect 50 or 60 dogs to walk to heel and ignore each other and not sniff etc. Lets get realistic here.
Also it's not there job, they are trained to walk on a lead and stand for the judge to go over.
You really have got a bee in your bonnet over show dogs don't get it myself, we have tried to explain to you but you patently fail to understand,
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12-03-2011, 05:30 PM
Originally Posted by morganstar
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Its not about not trusting them it's about logistics, you couldnt expect 50 or 60 dogs to walk to heel and ignore each other and not sniff etc. Lets get realistic here.
Also it's not there job, they are trained to walk on a lead and stand for the judge to go over.
You really have got a bee in your bonnet over show dogs don't get it myself, we have tried to explain to you but you patently fail to understand,
I understand that perfectly - I dont like it tho
Personaly it looks more like you have the bee in your bonnet in that you are so defensive to jump on any questions
I simply made a suggestion that wouldnt it give a more natural gate if the dogs were offlead
As I am constantly told the dogs are socalised from an early age to that type of surroundings, they are happy and know their jobs, I honestly dont see a problem with well trained dogs being able to work offlead, we used to do it all the time in puppy classes
but if not how about just having the lead loose?
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12-03-2011, 05:31 PM
Originally Posted by x-clo-x
ive seen it happening on the crufts footage..
where were they 'running off' too? the only ones I seen were going to the person with their leads
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12-03-2011, 05:39 PM
Originally Posted by Ben Mcfuzzylugs
I am not having a bee in my bonnet or anything, something was brought up in this thread, people said leads were being used to lift tired dogs heads
I understand that perfectly - I dont like it tho
Personaly it looks more like you have the bee in your bonnet in that you are so defensive to jump on any questions
I simply made a suggestion that wouldnt it give a more natural gate if the dogs were offlead
As I am constantly told the dogs are socalised from an early age to that type of surroundings, they are happy and know their jobs, I honestly dont see a problem with well trained dogs being able to work offlead, we used to do it all the time in puppy classes
but if not how about just having the lead loose?
if it makes you feel any better i always show on a loose lead
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12-03-2011, 05:39 PM
Originally Posted by Ben Mcfuzzylugs
fair nuff, I havent seen much of the footage so I cannot comment
where were they 'running off' too? the only ones I seen were going to the person with their leads
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12-03-2011, 05:44 PM
Originally Posted by x-clo-x
yes they are socialised and trained, but on lead. we dont train them off.
if it makes you feel any better i always show on a loose lead
it does
Originally Posted by x-clo-x
i saw one where the dog ran to where its lead and toy was, pick up the toy then run away from its handler.
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