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29-05-2007, 11:25 PM
Originally Posted by nero 
no one has suggested that the 514,000 people who graciously signed the petition are dog owners ! the signatures were collected from citizens who support dog owners who have docked breeds. a lot of people put time and effort into collecting the signatures. they were asked to print their names & addresses on the forms and did so willingly. you're not going to tell me that all the MPs who voted in favour of the act are dog owners !!. also check with the KC yourself, get your FACTS right, for goodness sake !!
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29-05-2007, 11:36 PM
Originally Posted by IanTaylor
This thread was about KC obeying the law regarding docking... The debate about the rights and wrongs of docking was in another thread.
But it's turned out an interesting thread anyway... Just a little surprised as I said, that people are willing to stop breeding simply because they can no longer hack off bits of their pups
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29-05-2007, 11:40 PM
Originally Posted by Mahooli
I'll repeat again as I have in other threads, the only shoot I've been on had a dog with a tail injury, it was a DOCKED one, when that happened it became clear to me that docking DOES NOT prevent tail injuries so why take them off, you might as well wait and see.
Still, the point is moot. The KC have to obey the law, as do all UK citizens and that's it. This thread was started on the incorrect info that the KC were going to refuse to register docked puppies and despite repeated requests no evidence for that staement was forth coming, nor indeed evidence to back up the massive 514,000 (alleged) petition which is more signatures than the estimate dog population in Scotland. There really is no further point in arguing about docking, it's over, pro-dockers failed to get their views across in a manner which made sense backed up be research. They've had plenty of time to do studies etc but they chose not to just relying on the 'freedom of choice' view when it's an animal welfare issue.
It's over, if you no longer want to breed so be it. I'm just so pleased that now I can enter the show ring and not be penalised because the dog has a tail.
Becky
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29-05-2007, 11:50 PM
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29-05-2007, 11:56 PM
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29-05-2007, 11:57 PM
Originally Posted by boobah
Wow hacking,i'snt that a bit extreme puppies tails arent hacked off.I RECKON MANY A VET WOULD TEND TO DISAGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT! It's no wonder people are horrified by docking when they hear statements like that.
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30-05-2007, 12:26 AM
Originally Posted by boobah
I had to laugh at the phrase spitting out the dummy.As i said earlier docking is only the beginning,once they get their teeth into all the other breeds i dont think we will just see dummy spitting going on.
Why do you consider it wrong to have measures taken [ hopefully ] to do something about breeds which suffer health problems and poor quality of life because of human aesthetic preference ?
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30-05-2007, 12:48 AM
Originally Posted by Patch
Why do you consider it wrong to have measures taken [ hopefully ] to do something about breeds which suffer health problems and poor quality of life because of human aesthetic preference ?
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30-05-2007, 12:49 AM
Originally Posted by boobah
Its only a matter of time before the re-homing kennels all over the country are in-undated with even more unwanted puppies.
Any breeder not having an advnce waiting list is unethical anyway imo.
Many breeders over the years who did`nt dock before the law came in have always had long waiting lists of people wanting tailed dogs because there were so few breeders around who would leave tails on.
I personally know many many people who have got docked dogs but said it was only because they could`nt find a breeder who did not dock at the time in their prefered breeds and that they were gutted about not being able to find non-docking breeders when they were ready to have dog.
I know a man who waited 10 years for an undocked Weim because he refused to have a docked one, and a lady [ who another member here can confirm if she see`s this ], who waited two years for her whole Weim. Only one breeder she found in that time agreed to leave the tail on one pup [ and she had to wait a long time for a planned litter from that breeder ], and managed to get a second from the same breeder some time later.
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30-05-2007, 12:52 AM
Originally Posted by Patch
Why do you consider it wrong to have measures taken [ hopefully ] to do something about breeds which suffer health problems and poor quality of life because of human aesthetic preference ?
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