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23-10-2012, 01:46 PM

Kicked the dog and swore at it.

I just went out for a walk with my dog. He had had a good run around off lead and we were walking back with him off lead. We saw someone else heading our way, so we decided to put him back on lead (Thank fully he didn't see the other person so he came back to us)

As we got closer, the guy had a big dobberman/rottweiler type dog and a smaller bulldog. He stopped and let us walk past, but as we passed his dogs pulled towards my dog and barked like mad. I kept walking and pulling my dog along and the guy was almost pulled off his feet with his dogs. He turned around and kicked his big dog- a proper kick in the stomach, not a tap, then swore and shouted at them. Then he kindly said 'Sorry' and walked off.

Poor dogs to have him as an owner!
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23-10-2012, 01:55 PM
Poor dogs. It's not going to help the dog's reaction to other dogs if, every time he sees one, he gets a big kick for it either!

However, you mention that it was lucky your dog hadn't spotted the other person - just to say it might be worthwhile keeping your dog on a longline or Flexilead while you work on this, for his own safety. Imagine if he'd run over to this guy and his dogs - if his dogs hadn't hurt yours, there's a chance that kick might have been aimed at him instead too, so for his own sake it's a good idea to ensure he doesn't run up to strangers out on walks. A longline will prevent that until you can get him doing it automatically with training
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23-10-2012, 02:05 PM
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Poor dogs. It's not going to help the dog's reaction to other dogs if, every time he sees one, he gets a big kick for it either!

However, you mention that it was lucky your dog hadn't spotted the other person - just to say it might be worthwhile keeping your dog on a longline or Flexilead while you work on this, for his own safety. Imagine if he'd run over to this guy and his dogs - if his dogs hadn't hurt yours, there's a chance that kick might have been aimed at him instead too, so for his own sake it's a good idea to ensure he doesn't run up to strangers out on walks. A longline will prevent that until you can get him doing it automatically with training
Being a Labrador, he wants to meet every moving thing he sees. Normally if he spots a dog he will run up to them, have a good sniff and then ignore them unless they start playing. The area where I walk him is a safe place, the dogs that go there are friendly and fine. It's only been this once instance where it's happened. We have a flexilead to allow him to run around whilst on lead.

I've tried many times to train him to ignore other dogs or to come back when I whistle no matter what, but it just doesn't happen! He comes back when I whistle, but as soon as his hunting state of mind kicks in he literally goes deaf!

I'll definitely be keeping and eye out for this man again to make sure i've got my dog before he gets near though.
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23-10-2012, 02:17 PM
It only takes one time for your dog to get seriously injured, and that one attack could then make you the dog owner with the (fear) reactive dog on a short lead, unfortunately. As the owner of a reactive dog, dogs like yours are my worst nightmare. Whether he's friendly or not, it is important to respect that not every dog you meet will appreciate another one running over for a good sniff - and it is quite rude in 'doggy language' to do this anyway (dogs fare much better with controlled arcs rather than a head-on greeting).
I know it is nice to be able to let a dog off-lead anywhere, at any time, but ultimately you are responsible for your dog and if you cannot prevent him with verbal commands, you need to find an alternative way to control him, like a longline. Maybe you could start a thread in the training session for some tips on this, I know there's been a few members on here with similar issues (SLB and her Lab, Louie, spring to mind - maybe look at her past threads or drop her a PM)
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23-10-2012, 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by RROOBB View Post
Being a Labrador, he wants to meet every moving thing he sees. Normally if he spots a dog he will run up to them, have a good sniff and then ignore them unless they start playing. The area where I walk him is a safe place, the dogs that go there are friendly and fine. It's only been this once instance where it's happened. We have a flexilead to allow him to run around whilst on lead.

I've tried many times to train him to ignore other dogs or to come back when I whistle no matter what, but it just doesn't happen! He comes back when I whistle, but as soon as his hunting state of mind kicks in he literally goes deaf!

I'll definitely be keeping and eye out for this man again to make sure i've got my dog before he gets near though.
To back up what Krlyr has said, you can't be sure who you may come across. People need to socialise their dogs and a dog park type place can be ideal, but it may be a nervous or aggressive dog they are trying to socialise, if your dog runs up to dogs like that it is not only at risk of being hurt it could be setting back a dog in it's socialising/training session! Not having a go or criticizing, I think most dogs go through their 'deaf' phases!
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23-10-2012, 02:21 PM
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It only takes one time for your dog to get seriously injured, and that one attack could then make you the dog owner with the (fear) reactive dog on a short lead, unfortunately. As the owner of a reactive dog, dogs like yours are my worst nightmare. Whether he's friendly or not, it is important to respect that not every dog you meet will appreciate another one running over for a good sniff - and it is quite rude in 'doggy language' to do this anyway (dogs fare much better with controlled arcs rather than a head-on greeting).
I know it is nice to be able to let a dog off-lead anywhere, at any time, but ultimately you are responsible for your dog and if you cannot prevent him with verbal commands, you need to find an alternative way to control him, like a longline. Maybe you could start a thread in the training session for some tips on this, I know there's been a few members on here with similar issues (SLB and her Lab, Louie, spring to mind - maybe look at her past threads or drop her a PM)
Have to agree with this 100%! My boys do much better with bum to bum greetings; the way it should be!
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23-10-2012, 02:25 PM
Poor dogs. One of mine is nervous and growled at a child last week (the child stopped and eyeballed her), she doesnt understand nothing is meant by it he just wanted to look, we have seen a behaviourist so followed her instuctions and calmly increased the distance between us and the child, even though it meant walking into some trees. We were on a quite deserted path and dont usually see anyone. The mother came over and started screaming at me about the fact I wasnt smacking or shouting at my dangerous dog and she was going to report me. My dog was under control and muzzled (best to be safe than sorry as she is a scared little thing).
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23-10-2012, 02:29 PM
This website may be worth a read
http://www.dogsinneedofspace.co.uk/

It can be hard to understand the impact of behaviour like your dog's when you own a friendly, sociable dog who has no problem greeting other dogs, but some of us aren't that fortunate. I often have to turn around and leave a park because someone has an overly friendly off-lead dog loose, and makes no attempt to keep it on a lead or recall it (or tries to, but fails) and I don't think it's very fair that I can't make use of a public space because others feel their right to it overrides mine. Fortunately there are also lots of times I can go in there and other dog owners recognise that my dogs are on-lead and that I am making a point to remain on the opposite side of the park to them, and keep their dogs nearby or on-lead, and we manage to have a great time sharing the space with other dogs (which helps my dog learn that other dogs aren't so scary afterall) - a little bit of consideration goes a long, long way!
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23-10-2012, 02:30 PM
What a pig......

Some people really don't deserve the love and devotion of an animal
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23-10-2012, 03:39 PM
Guys I think you're missing the point of this thread! (But I take you point about recall training)

I understand that some dogs have behaviour problems, but that's no reason to kick and swear and shout at the dog. If the dog is going to bark and go for other dogs, then you don't kick it as a way of dealing with it!
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