I have a degree in animal behaviour and welfare, I have also been into dog training since I was 13.

Adam

I think he's trying to get you guys riled up, so why let him? Its clear he's not going to change his ways.

It's the new game on Dogsey called "Adam-baiting" All the time he's posting on here, he's not subjecting dogs to electric shocks. We're trying to keep him so busy justifying his actions, that he has no time left to actually do any harm to dogs! And believe me, he does bite ~ not all his posts are measured & polite, there are plenty of others that show his true colours & frustrations when he can't answer, & at those times he either resorts to posting links to completely unrelated videos, or he gets just as rude back.

We've no doubt that he's not going to change his ways ~ his only reason for being here is to try to promote his evil business, not because he cares one iota about dogs. Plus we want to make sure that any new members or people just lurking/browsing, don't get the impression that it's ok to use strong aversives to train dogs.

When Adam first started to post we all tried to kindly show him the error of his ways, gave him the benefit of doubt & thought perhaps he was just misguided & ignorant. But we gave that up long ago as the truth gradually emerged.

The sooner such horrible devices are banned across the whole of the UK, the better.

If I was looking for a trainer and e collar salesman I would look for someone who was at least coherent without the help of a weirdo banned from every dog site and someone who didn't contradict themselves .

Have read Adams posts and replies,but never added my own.
Today I cant hold back,because I feel so angry.
To read about his use of E collars in basic training,makes me sick to my stomach.Why use fear and punishment when you can achieve the same results with positive training?What sort of "kick" does he get from this?Does he just want to look good,because the dogs he "trains"obey ?.
I hope any new dog owner looking for guidance on Dogsey,doesnt take his "quick fix" advice.,creating a dog or puppy who will obey,not because they want to please,or are rewarded ,or because they have actually ENJOYED learning,but because they know that the result of not obeying is a "stim"-sounds quite a mild thing ,doesnt it till you find out what it means.
Maureen

Have you ever tried to find an ecollar trainer? They all seem to be in denial about the collar causing pain. I had an in depth discussion with one and given Rupe's history they said it would take a high stim to over ride his learned behaviour but apparently this wouldn't hurt him.

Have you ever tried to find an ecollar trainer? They all seem to be in denial about the collar causing pain. I had an in depth discussion with one and given Rupe's history they said it would take a high stim to over ride his learned behaviour but apparently this wouldn't hurt him.

Not that I agree with e-collars, but on American based forums I used to frequent (where the use of e-collars is commonplace & considered acceptable) NEVER once did anyone who used them consider it ok using one for TEACHING behaviours. They were always used for enforcing KNOWN commands, generally when the dog was away at a distance (when doing gundog work, etc.).