As can breeding pure breed dogs also

Hi Janie, yes of course they can but there is less chance they will have had any specific health tests for each breed and the puppy Kc bought to which I referred was 'a new breed' with some known serious health problems.

Hi Pidge I agree with much of your post,
I stated my concerns with regard to people dealing with Puppy Farmers and the whole issue of PF and ex breeding bitches.
My concerns were questioned and misinterpret by some as a dislike of rescues.
I explained why I thought the TS might have been acting independently with regard to dealing with Puppy Farmers (because she had previously purchased a dog which was destined to go to a rescue and enquired about using it at stud see confirmation of this in post 83).
The TS chose to react to my explanation with animosity and I thought it necessary to reply,
I see no point in continuing to pursue this matter and I have no intentions of doing so .

I know I could be opening a can of worms here but I havent read every post just scanned over them so pardon my ignorance.

If no-one rescues the PF ex breeding bitches where would they go, what would happen to them?

If they rescued then this just makes 'space' available to the famer for another breeding bitch which in time will again become an ex breeding bitch.

Isnt this all just swings and roundabouts or 'damned if you do and damned if you dont'

Is there anyway that the rescue can keep a track of where the exbreeding bitches are mainly coming from eg one particular PF breeder and then report him to the RSPCA or somone. Surely this would hlep discourage the PF or am i living in my own little world again lol

Firstly Mini we dont buy the bitches as have said quite a few times now. You say that you have never worked in rescue or volunteered and I truly believe if you sat with me the othet night andbathed these skeletons and shaved their faeces of them and saw how grateful they were you would change your mind.
If we didnt get them they would be shot and if very very lucky may be PTS at vets but doubt it as expensive.

This particular TS often treats others on here with animosity and a complete lack of courtesy, if she is disagreed with. She has been acting in this manner since she joined the forum If the shoe is ever on the other foot, she is outraged

Anyhow ref the subject, I feel that if people didn't rescue ex breeding dogs from unethical breeders, these dogs may well be PTS I also feel that if 'decent' people rescue such dogs then at least they (the dog) may have some good years, which may compensate, somewhat to what they had been through whilst at breeders, as I strongly believe that people who breed with financial gain as a priority cannot treat their dogs as well as they deserve to be treated.

Very good point.

What does TS mean?

TS = thread starter

'Closing puppy farms down is not going to happen, we have to be real' ?Well thats alright then isn't it lets all 'be real' and just accept it, don't let us try to tell anyone about the things that are really happening.

Ramble you really should appreciate this is the real world so we can't do anything other than to rescue bitches, please stop trying to draw peoples attention to the fact that for each bitch that is rescued there is the potential for another bitch and approx 30 sickly unsocialised puppies to take her place.
and I find it sad that people don't bother to read posts properly, no one has attacked anyone, people like Ramble have bothered to take the time to think about this rather than just saying 'oh look at the cuddly rescued dogs lets just take them on and say nothing'
Some of us can see exactly what you are trying to say Ramble, yes it is good to rescue dogs, yes if you didn't they will be killed or sold on to someone else and others may take their place but at the same time we should not lose sight of the fact that for every rescued bitch there may not only be another bitch but approximately 30 sickly unsocialised .
No I am not saying people should not rescue breeding stock, no I don't have the answers I am just saying this is how it is but I would like to make eveyone who reads this aware .
No you mustn't campaign heaven forbid that you should upset a Puppy Farmer, lets ignore the fact that if you managed to get details even things like the car registration number there might not be more bitches to take on from this particular breeder in a few years time. Far to sensible a suggestion, you might upset a Puppy Farmer ..
Yes it would seem from yours and Spots posts many of us are anti rescue, like anyone who doesn't work for one or asks any questions.

No one slated anyone for rescuing dogs from puppy farms, it was just pointed out by some that this is not the end of the story and instead of just saying 'Ahh look at the little rescue doggies' we should look at the bigger picture and that although these bitches are rescued each one may represent approximately one bitch and 30 sickly unsocialised puppies.
We don't have the answers , we don't have alternatives but does that mean we should all just give up and not try to find any.

Yes I had concerns that people might be paying Puppy Farmers. When someone who previously bought a rescue dog then enquired about breeding from it says they rescue dogs I don't think it is unreasonable to ask the person if the rescue dogs are paid for and to ask others if there is a difference between buying a puppy from a puppy farmer which we are advised not to do and buying a breeding bitch.

Some people seem not to like others asking questions they would prefer that we all accept things and say nothing. They even imply we are against rescues because we ask questions and try to raise awareness and make people think. So lets all just say 'Ahh worn out bitches how sweet'' and let them get on with it.
I am sorry Kcjackes that some people have chosen to turn your thread into an argument and saw criticism where none was intended.
I am sorry that when questions are asked politely some respond with animosity.
I am sorry Spot that you don't bother to read posts and just assume everyone is against rescues, you do rescues no favours by your attitude.
I am sorry if this rant upsets anybody but as those complacent people who don't like questions being asked say 'this is the real world'.

KCJacks turn now is it Nes, as you wont answer calls about Marie, (or your own actions) dear me, how sad.

Regarding this thread, I agree with "both" sides, I know I couldnt turn an ex breeder away if it needed help anymore than any other dog, but I also see "helping" the puppy farmers may cause more issues.