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30-09-2009, 07:58 PM
Originally Posted by mishflynn 
When you see the whole of Jonbees Clip (more than what is on that link) i find it tragic.
The owners couldnt get the dog to lie down.
CM got him to lie down outside, & instead of building on that or teaching the dog a down command, took him inside where the dog has MOST problems (why i think CM is impatient & continues to tackle it.
He is doing it on a slippery shiney floor for a reason, to make it harder for the dog to fight.
Those leads around his neck are disgusting that dog could have died there & then, His bulging eyes, are not of temper or anger, but of fear & lack of air, Would you really let anyone do that to tai Gnasher or CC to one of your Chis?
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30-09-2009, 08:02 PM
My memory is obviously better than your's
Shadow is a wolf cross. An unsocialised, bad mannered wolf cross. Very bad. You do not treat a wolf cross as Cesar handled Shadow. That was his mistake. Which he has admitted to, and learned from. And was big enough to show the episode.
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30-09-2009, 08:03 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox
Thats true , and to be honest, that would be the obvious explanation.......... not the one Gnasher gave
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30-09-2009, 08:05 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher
I disagree with your explanation Mish. The dog's eyes are RED with rage. I had never ever seen such rage and sheer desire to kill in a dog before. It is like he was rabid.
Have you ever seem a Wolf/ wild cat/ any wild animal on the TV when in killing mode have his eyes turn red
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30-09-2009, 08:08 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher
Dawn : we had a long discussion about the Shadow thread I remember somewhere on Dogsey. Maybe the threads were deleted, maybe not, I can't remember, but whatever.
My memory is obviously better than your's
Shadow is a wolf cross. An unsocialised, bad mannered wolf cross. Very bad. You do not treat a wolf cross as Cesar handled Shadow. That was his mistake. Which he has admitted to, and learned from. And was big enough to show the episode.
Regardless of it being "whatever" the dog in that situation woudl fight back.
the Chi`s/ Dachsies / white fluffy bunnies he has treated in the same aggressive manner, have all reacted the same way... fight and bite.
They were NOT wolf crosses.
They were dogs in distress.. and doing the only thing they could , fight/flight or bite.
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30-09-2009, 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox
Have you been watching to many horror movies... the dogs eyes were not RED because he was in kill mode.
Have you ever seem a Wolf/ wild cat/ any wild animal on the TV when in killing mode have his eyes turn red
Hal's eyes used to glow red in the dark which was seriously scarey. All the dogs I have ever had, Tai included, have green eyes at night !
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30-09-2009, 08:11 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher
Dawn : we had a long discussion about the Shadow thread I remember somewhere on Dogsey. Maybe the threads were deleted, maybe not, I can't remember, but whatever.
My memory is obviously better than your's
Shadow is a wolf cross. An unsocialised, bad mannered wolf cross. Very bad. You do not treat a wolf cross as Cesar handled Shadow. That was his mistake. Which he has admitted to, and learned from. And was big enough to show the episode.
Say no more eh? Ill ask again, can you please show me where CM said Shadow was a Wolf cross.
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30-09-2009, 08:13 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox
But Gnasher, the point is you dont treat ANY dog in the manner CM treated Shadow.
Regardless of it being "whatever" the dog in that situation woudl fight back.
the Chi`s/ Dachsies / white fluffy bunnies he has treated in the same aggressive manner, have all reacted the same way... fight and bite.
They were NOT wolf crosses.
They were dogs in distress.. and doing the only thing they could , fight/flight or bite.
And he learned from it. I really wish I had Sky, so that I could see his more recent episodes.
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30-09-2009, 08:13 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher
I disagree with your explanation Mish. The dog's eyes are RED with rage. I had never ever seen such rage and sheer desire to kill in a dog before. It is like he was rabid.
You need to work with dogs a bit more Gnasher if you think the dogs eyes were red with rage! Thats just about the most ludicrous thing I think you ever could of said and expect people to give you credit for your posts. 
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30-09-2009, 08:13 PM
Originally Posted by Borderdawn
Yeah must be, however I wont remind you times gone by when you forgot things about your own dog.
Say no more eh? Ill ask again, can you please show me where CM said Shadow was a Wolf cross.