Brierley, at the risk of repeating myself: As I have noted before, I am well aware of what method y'all use, and of why you use it. What has not been offered except for one or two instances, is the how. How do you teach a command, how do you deal with the trained dog which chooses to fail, how would you put a life-saving stop on a dog like the ones I have, with reference to the situations I have described?

Again risking repetition, my observations of positive methods over here have been less than enlightening, as I previously noted. Since the what and why are the same over here as in your country, the thing here that produces a result different from the ones y'all get there must be in the how, and that is what I am after. Specific enough?

Oh! i just did see! i made the threehundredth post of that Threat!

did I win a price now?

Yes you did indeed, Wryekin, and I wondered why you did not continue on with our (as in you and I) discussion; now I know, and I can't tell you how sorry I am that you got that impression from me, it certainly wasn't intentional on my part. Bless you enlightening me!

I know it's a lot to ask, but I would greatly appreciate it if you could tell me what it was I said that upset you.
The conversation begins on page 10 with post #10, if you would like to refer back. There was one of my responses, #140 on page 14, that was pretty strongly worded. I noted the reason and apologized, is that the one to which you are refering?

Umm, I am getting a different vibe from some posters. And I am afraid that "brief" would leave too much room for misunderstanding, typed word and all that. Believe me, my poor arthritic hands would be thrilled to death to have me do brief.

So you are inferring that I would lie about such a thing, ?why?

Well, the first thing I have to do for the folks I deal with is explain what anthropomorphizing means, and I reassure them that this is a perfect normal thing and that many do it. I then go on to explain the dog stuff and ask them if they see how they are "guilty" of ascribing human traits to dogs, and the conversation proceeds from there. If they don't seem to get it, or are visual learners, I have a little exercise that I do that makes explanations real clear in a hurry.

I don't think the problem is that they don't get the explanations, but rather that they have engaged in wrong-headed thinking for so long, and it is so ingrained, that it is easy to slip back into it. They have some re-learning to do, and they will relapse occasionally.

You asked how to train and proof a dog to stop in an emergency. Two part tutorial here, using positive reinforcement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=hD6t9nfqjPA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6r6_MEtj6I

Wys, my reply to your 283 is in my 299. The comment timing comment to Malpeki was TIC.

Wys, I address this post ASAP, but my response will probably drone on and typing has become difficult, and I am trying to get shorter responses out of the way first. I may not get to it until tomorrow, but stay tuned, because I will post a response

Wryekin, I am sure you know that CF is a product of a number of traits, many of which are factory installed in my bloodline via judicious breeding. You are not the only one who looks a bit askance when I talk about how quickly my dogs usually learn and make connections, until they see it for themselves. I am on my fifth generation, and I still marvel at their learning capacity. And I fully understand that dogs learn in the moment, hence the 3 second rule re: corrections.

I can only describe my dog's reaction to the correction in terms of what I saw, and what I saw was exactly what I expected to see; it was most emphatically not a miserable, unhappy, shut-down dog.