Sorry i dont get your point!

Not at all comparable.
One is human, one is a dog.
One needs a nappy changing one is displaying an unwanted behaviour. Just not comparable....

Can I ask what other methods had been tried and for how long and how consistently?

I am pretty shocked to be honest that someone would even consider alpha rolling to cure something as basic as jumping up.

Not wishing to put words into Dawn's mouth but I think she is saying that you cannot compare the behaviour of a dog with the behaviour of a child. I agree with her.

I teach my dog to sit by luring then clicking and rewarding...I taught my son to count by singing and counting repetitively in number of situations. I model for him if you like....I don't model for dogs..I lure and try to shape their behaviour.
Not comparable. They learn very differently and are motivated by different things.

Ok, thank you.

I totally agree, what im trying to demonstrate is the level of force i would use, which is very little. if you have to use lots of force neither the dog or you are calm. i didnt just walk into my sisters garden and Alpha roll. i spent time with the dog and when the behaviour occured i used the Alpha roll.

You missed the post I made before that one I think.

What other methods had been used and for how long and how consistently?

I am struggling to see how you get a dog that is jumping up to lie on it's side without using quite a lot of force.

ETA What breed is the dog that was jumping up?

The behaviour with my son was not the nappy changing but not wanting to have his nappy changed that im comparing.

The jumping up was not your regular excited dog, i have come across lots of them including my own collie and have not Alpha rolled them as there was no need. This was a very unhappy soul that did this when anxious, his whole body language spoke anxious, he had had a bad beginning. My beleif is that he felt very out of control and since this behaviour has stopped he has thrived and is very happy, with no paticular problems.

My sister tried all sorts from ignoring to rewarding with no success, she was very persistant, she is not a novice.

So you alpha rolled an anxious dog?
I think you need to be thankful you were not bitten.

Did she try to stop him getting anxious in the first place? Or teach him an alternative behaviour?

I did, because im confident in this behaviour work and feel confident and happy to use it, thats the whole point and what i think people are missing and missjudging.

He is a GSD.

Im not expecting to convert anyone, but I have not just seen CM on tv and thought oh hes great, il do that. i have tried several different techniques and never felt comfortable. I actually found a trainer who uses CM methods before i ever heard about CM. Most methods i felt dumbed my dogs down, but i feel i have found what works best for my dogs, but as always will always be looking at new ideas and ways.
Above all you agree with me or not, not being the more probable, i will never knowingly hurt anyone with my physical!

As i've said before....
I have one of those 'red zone' dogs.
Both OH and I holding the lead couldn't control her if she saw another dog - even across the road, or at the other side of the park.
It got to the point when we didn't want to walk her because she was so anxious - it's not because she wasn't well socialised, as oldies on here know it's because she was attacked multiple times, so was fearful and anxious.

And only 3 hours into a positive training class, using only positive methods and distractions, she was a different dog.
She is no longer muzzled when walked, and spends time in the same room with other dogs! She's even doing a demo at our open day next week - with other dogs!

I didn't even have to choke her, alpha roll her, kick her or even raise my voice to achieve this.
Once I relaxed and showed her there was nothing to fear, she relaxed too - and all it took was some positive experiences with other dogs - just being near them and them not being bothered about her helped.

Since we started training in April, she has not been in the 'red zone' once!

Yes i rolled an anxios dog, to take control for him. i used the Alpha roll to say to him, its ok, im in control, you can trust me. I beleive the results say he did, as im sure you wont.
I felt in no danger of being bitten.
Yes for months, we all did.