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05-02-2011, 10:27 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer 
Feels = emotions? I actually think we can make educated guesses.
Feel = physical sensation. Just observation.
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05-02-2011, 10:27 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
Why because I use a technique that is humane and gets results but sounds bad to you?
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My opinion is based upon your extensive posts on this forum, where I have formed the educated opinion that you abuse animals. Puppies included. Here's a snapshot of what I've learned from your posts:
You are a failed trainer of positive methods who has turned to torture because it is a way of making money.
You have used TWO shock collars on a small dog at the same time.
You take no account of medical history of the dog, its current health or anything else, including anything which might contribute to its behaviour - you just get in there and stick on a shock collar.
You have got it seriously wrong in the past - Jacca, the dog which you admitted you should have used food based methods with. The dog that you admitted was associating you with the shocks it was receiving.
You advocate inexperienced and desperate people buying these things 'off the shelves', trying to understand the instructions and using them on their dogs. This is even though they may have no real idea what they are doing (since they couldn't even master the positive training methods - just like you) and no idea whether it is appropriate for the dog or the perceived problems.
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05-02-2011, 10:27 PM
Originally Posted by LuvMyDog
No, you too are missing the point. What level of pain or type of pain do you consider acceptable? Headcollars cause pain. Do you find that acceptable. I'm not trying to sell you a prong collar, I just want to know if you have a preferred method of applying pain, or believe any method of pain is bad and the associated equipment banned?
2) Er, like any other retailer of headcollars?
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05-02-2011, 10:27 PM
Originally Posted by mishflynn
Ok Heres a idea.
Why dont LMD & AP have a "man"up disccussion between them selves, between what is best , most effective, a Prong colar or e collar.
Lets leave them to it girls!!!!! Hopefully they will implode!
Runnnnnnnnnn!
We should be so lucky, let's hope so all the other dogs they may come into contact in the future.
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05-02-2011, 10:29 PM
Originally Posted by Brierley
Adam, I have been in quite a lot of pain today. My hubby didn't know until I mentioned it about an hour ago, he's been with me all day. My son, who I was with for over an hour earlier in the day, never 'observed' my pain either. Real pain by the way, not emotional pain.
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05-02-2011, 10:31 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
I told you and merryvale to mp your details and evidence you were who you said you were and then I would consider it.
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05-02-2011, 10:32 PM
Originally Posted by Tassle
NO! Surely not - it was not observed?? - you cannot have been in pain!
However - obviously Adam is so telepathic he is always aware of the pain of all of those around him, so he will understand why I need to back out of this thread for now...it is causing me too much discomfort. Well done Adam...the aversive works.
Oddly I do not feel good about it though
Hey ho - guess that does not matter.
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05-02-2011, 10:32 PM
Originally Posted by LuvMyDog
With your track record of accuracy I'm going to call 'nonsense' on that, it's all too convinient.
For the record, I can tell you the collar, material, brand, manufacturer, even the model, part numbers and likely place of purchase from a distance. Do you still want to compare knowledge about prong collars? Is it ok to mention the trainers name on the boards?