in most breeds you will get a variation in type,

many breeders dogs can be easy to spot due to type,

vinnie is a very diff type to the other three rotties I have, hes more like his fathers lines,

I always get asked "has she got collie in her?" when it comes to Jessie and I always reply "she is a collie". Even the vet nurse didnt think she was full collie. There is a bloke across the road who owns a BC, black and white with pricked ears...even he didnt know my 2 were collies!

They come in all shapes and sizes, colours, ear types etc but all are collie.

Look at the difference in my 2:

Thanks for all the replies

Leanne ... both your dogs look like Collies ???
Im confused why people cant see it, its sooooooo obvious , lol

It`s no great hidden secret, it`s well known, why would anyone deny it when it`s so well known ? How would adding Kelpie make them heavier in bone and coat when the Kelpie was bred in to make them more compact, light weight, faster, and shorter coated - ie the Nap type, from which the short coated Border Collies were derived - compact bodies, short coat, lighter boned....


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Collie guessing game

Of this group all bar one are registered BC'c and four have the same dad.




This is grandma and dranddaughter, gma is ISDS registered. Granddaughter is NOT a collie



Registered or not?

Lovely every one of them. That is what I love about the breed, even in a litter each pup can be so different. The breed is not about breeding identical clones its about smartness and fit for the environment it is working in

Couldnt agree more

Jeanette

Amen to that!

The heavier boned dogs were the ones bred to by show breeders, the Kelpie blood is denied by show breeders & their dogs were so closely bred, no wonder CEA, TNS, CL pre DNA testing was so common amongst Australian & New Zealand dogs. Even the Glaucoma that has now been found in UK BC's is all directly linked to the Australasian bloodlines, it has been claimed that ISDS dogs have been diagnosed with TNS, CL & Glaucoma-but to date I've seen no proof positive from DNA or clinical tests that this is the case.

Barbara Carpenter(doG bless her)was the main person to reveal the Kelpie blood behind the Australasian show dogs & it was vehemently denied(& still is), the Kelpie genetic input of course includes-Cryptorchidism, Hip Dysplasia, Cerebellar Abiotrophy (CA), Patella Luxation, Epilepsy, so the reasoning behind the cross is difficult to understand.

Do you never tire of your silly eye rolling attitude toward anyone who disagrees with you ?

Ah, so because you yourself personally have`nt seen it then it can`t exist in ISDS dogs ?
You need to take the `ol blinkers off once in a while, and to realise that you are not the all knowing oracle you believe yourself to be.

TNS

http://bordercolliehealth.com/TNSdatabase.html

"TNS carriers have been identified in lines not related to the Australian and New Zealand lines
where the disease was first identified - including 100% ISDS lines."

CL

"CL is often referred to as a disease that only impacts Australasian Border Collies. This is not true.
We can only speculate that CL was believed to be associated with the Australasian Border Collies
because CL was originally identified and diagnosed in Australia more than 25 years ago. However,
since that time, in the United States, the Texas A&M University reported that it had diagnosed CL
in several Border Collies located in Texas. Although the University never released the identity of
those dogs, this occurred several years prior to the importation of any Australasian dogs to the
United States. Therefore, these dogs had to be from American and/or British lines.

Approximately 10 years ago, a Border Collie located in Great Britain died of CL. A post-mortem
examination confirmed the diagnosis. Again, the identity of the dog was never released. However,
the dog was known to be from 100% British lines. "


If you refuse to believe it perhaps you should contact Dr Alan Wilton directly to tell him he must testing the DNA of imposter dogs or that any ISDS owners whose dogs have tested positive must be lying about their dogs` lineage, then you`d best get on to ISDS to let them know there is false DNA testing going on, [ if that`s what you really do believe ].

His email for direct contact is on the link above.
Don`t forget to let us know when he tells you that his testing is wrong and that he confirms you are right