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20-11-2010, 04:10 PM
Originally Posted by jols 
So should we give money to Germany then?
Or is it ok to have a war and leave thousands dead, children without homes or parents.?
I still dont think we owe anybody anything.
????? Since when did the UK "rule"/"own" Germany ?????
Germany is not & never has been a third world country & they elected hitler & as an elected leader he took them into war with the other axis countries around the world. The Germany people as a majority went willingly into war to take back what they saw as their land & to rid themselves of unwanted Jews, Gypsies etc etc. More people died from Russia(20,000,000)than did in Germany & the rest of the axis countries(8,268,000)& this excludes the Germans killed by Germans in the Holocaust ! To date the germans have not paid reparation to their victims in full.
You really are a "little englander"aren't you.
This country got very very rich on the backs of Africans, Asians etc. We took from their countries & gave back absolutely nowt, we did not educate their children, we stole them & fit & healthy adults & sold them for profit. We took their crops for our own use & left them a government built on our scheme of the rich ruling the poor.
It was this country & the other"civilised"countries in Europe that have never really set right the damage they did in the past.
As for the third world peoples having too many children they live in a different culture to the UK, they lack what they should have received from our ancestors-education & respect-they were treated worse that animals.
We did not leave an infrastructure that was workable when we left(as recent as in 1940s for India)
To those of you who say No No No obviously have the attitude of out of sight, living memory out of mind.
I've been out there & seen first hand the mess that was left by the"British Empire"& it made me ashamed to be British
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20-11-2010, 04:59 PM
Originally Posted by madmare
I totally agree. I am really against sending aid to other countries when our own is in such a state and our own are suffering.
Old people should not be dying of hypothermia in this country in this day and age, dying alone and not found for weeks because they can't afford help or care.
People should be getting the treatment they need instead of dying because its expensive.
Our homeless should be homed and there is so much more.
Until we can look after our own then we should not be looking after everyone elses people too.
Originally Posted by Lorna
I think Britain should give aid to other countries, we're very lucky to live here, others are born into poverty, we have a benefits system and free healthcare, they don't have clean running water. We can all moan about how bad we have it as a country, but majority of those who are old enough and young enough to work choose not to. I agree we should help the elderly more in this country, but that shouldn't stop us helping those who are in distress elsewhere.
To be honest, there isn't a lot wrong with this country, if you compare it to others, majority of our homeless had homes, they left, we have women's aid, we have homeless shelters, perhaps thats a sweeping statement, but we have hostels etc, what about countries that have firing squads and filthy water.
Our country needs help because we're greedy, I have my TV on, my heating on, I'm sitting here talking online on a forum, surrounded by University books....what do I have to complain about, not a lot. Thats because I was born in a free country. I had an operation on my knee done privately because waiting on the NHS would have taken longer, I was in pain so I chose to pay - I had that option. What about waiting for a simple operation that may never come? The number of people in this country who aren't treated is significantly lower than in others that can't even get treatment for TB, something this country is routinely vaccinated against. Just because we're free doesn't give us the right not to help those in greater need elsewhere, help our own of course, but help others too.
Originally Posted by Azz
It's not about whether we see ourselves as "responsible for any other nation." It's about whether we're the kind of country/person to want and choose to help another that's considerably less fortunate than ourselves (once again, with all the provisos about aid being correctly and effectively delivered, making a difference, and so on).
To me it's the difference between having an inward-looking mindset and an outward looking one. Between meanness and generosity. Responsibility is just a smokescreen. Not recognising the huge inequality of wealth and insisting that the UK can't afford to help or needs to first get its own house in order before doing so - in my opinion this is not only an untrue picture of Britain's ability to help, but also represents a mean-spirited, inward-looking attitude that goes against everything I stand for, and it's an attitude that lies at the root of so many of the world's problems.
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20-11-2010, 05:33 PM
Originally Posted by lozzibear
So people who dont want to help other countries are automatically mean and ungenerous? What about if they dont help other countries, but do a lot and give a lot to people in this country? Surely they still cant be mean and ungenerous then! Thats a bit of a sweeping statement IMO.
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20-11-2010, 05:51 PM
) I asked somebody to explain about Socialism to me coz I didn't really understand he. He said to me "supposing there are 10 of you sitting at a table, and everyone has a slice of bread except one person. Would you be prepared to share your slice with them so that everybody's equal?" Is that what we're supposed to do here then, just because we've grown into a wealthy country, we're supposed to share it all around throughout the world?????? That doesn't happen in my house with my hard earned cash, so why should it happen in our Government???I don't quite know in which department I sit, but it sure aint socialism! For me, charty still begins at home I'm afraid. We NEED more houses, more schools etc. Why should I put up with council CUTS which will affect my daily life, even though I'm still paying £170 amonth for the priveledge, they haven't cut those have they, and yet they have money to give away???? No, let them wait till we're flush again, then they can have some more, but not atm!
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20-11-2010, 05:53 PM
Originally Posted by Azz
Then you have to ask yourself WHY aren't you willing to help those who are not 'your own' (and who are arguably far far far more worse off than anyone in this country).
Why not pose the question to the governments of such countries where the majority of its citizens live in utter poverty , no running water, no food , no medical supplies , starvation being the norm... why THEY dont contribute to their OWN people's welfare, instead of pocketing ALL the aid that is given.
Maybe if they were not so corrupt /greedy, keeping themselves wealthy and their poor in squalor, then we would have no need to send aid in the first place.
You can play the moral high ground all you like, but as long as our own citizens are suffering , then my loyalty is to them, and wont be made to feel any less for it.
Its not a case of not wanting to give , its a case of we dont have it to give.
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20-11-2010, 06:55 PM
Originally Posted by Azz
Then you have to ask yourself WHY aren't you willing to help those who are not 'your own' (and who are arguably far far far more worse off than anyone in this country).
I am only willing to help my own........it is just that simple.
I am not interested in someone thousands of miles away whose own government are not interested in them.
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20-11-2010, 07:09 PM
It bothers me that we donate all those thousands of pounds to other countries where I'm not sure what the governments do with it. I feel quite sure a lot of it is misappropriated and never reaches where I would want it to go.
Without wanting to upset anyone, the leader in the voting for donations from the Dogsey calender is a Greek Dog Rescue.
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20-11-2010, 07:20 PM
Originally Posted by Azz
Then you have to ask yourself WHY aren't you willing to help those who are not 'your own' (and who are arguably far far far more worse off than anyone in this country).
If this country had no problems, and everyone had what they need (within reason), then i would have no problem with that... but we have lots of problems in this country.
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20-11-2010, 07:24 PM
Originally Posted by Nippy
Without wanting to upset anyone, the leader in the voting for donations from the Dogsey calender is a Greek Dog Rescue.
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