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It doesn't get the blame for all things wrong with dogs. No one condones thoughtless breeding of any kind.

Unfortunately the very people who should know best are some of the people causing dogs to suffer.

I can't understand how anyone can think that it is right to breed and kind of problem. Like it or not that is what is happening. It is no excuse to say that it is the fault of the judging----which someone suggested.

rune

I did not say it was the fault of the judging but said it would do more good to improve the skills of the judges than mess with a few words which can be open to interpretation, which to me is a totally different thing.

And that`s the problem, it focuses on the show world for all that is wrong with dogs.. when in fact the main culprit for unhealthy breeding is joe blogs, PF, byb , and to a degree working breeders, these are the people who don't take health into account when producing stock,


The show world gets blasted for breeding to achieve a look, yes fashion dictates to a point, but that does not take a way the dedication for preserving their breeds, good breeders bred for health along with looks, and to be honest without the above , we would not have any breeds at all.


the show world is a blot on the ocean of dog breeding, yet its the one that gets all the bad press.

Bulldogs today should be as healthy as those in the past, to be honest, who`s to say the bulldog of old was healthier then today's, its purely an assumption that they were, where are the health records, data to prove these claims..

You only have to look around you tube to see how healthy bulldogs are ,

All we ever hear is, they cant breath, they cant whelp, they have to be put in contraptions to mate, all far from the truth.

The problem with many small breeds is that they produce small litters, and the smaller the litter (1 or 2 pups) is that they get the loins share of nutrition, and as such become big bruisers making it difficult for the dam to whelp.

Well you would have to be forgiven for believing otherwise, this thread and others in the past go to back that up, along with every bit of propaganda you read in the paper and on the TV, says it does.

One would believe that from many of the programmes, articles, views that are voiced, the only people that breed are the show world, and they are responsible for all that is wrong in the canine world

The KC charity has done an immensely good job in moving science forward and getting health tests up and running. From a layman's viewpoint though, they do seem lacking in acting upon those studies and health tests in respect of:

a insisting health testing is both carried out and the results of such testing are good for offspring to be registered

b insisting that when health testing shows a problem that the sire/dam or whichever is affected has it's status removed (ie it is de-registered so that resulting puppies cannot be mis-sold as 'from health tested parents' which suggests that the screening was clear/good)

c ensuring that all dogs shown at KC events are health screened with the results good

Wouldn't this take some of the pressure off judges who can look for physical problems, ie face shape, body shape etc, but can't see underlying problems such as poor hip scores, eyes etc, etc.

In my opinion, the KC do a lot of excellent work, but there are areas that are sadly lacking. It is the biggest dog club in the country and as such, I believe they can do far more to safeguard the health, safety and welfare of the many breeds of dogs that we have all come to love.

The KC is a registration body and any dog who parents are KC registered can be registered.
To change to goal posts would just result in law costly challenges in Law to that rule.

Again they cannot de register a dog that fulfills the requirement for registration. Whenever there are health tests made available along with the tests there are usually a set of guidelines that go with it. i.e. depending on the condition, the size of the gene pool and virtue of the dog in question, it is not always in the best interest to exclude said dog from the gene pool. All health tests are freely available so if you do your research you should not be fooled by people saying all stock health tested.

Breed clubs are actually the ones who request the KC stance on health tests and this has been very successful were the breed is numerically small and most breeders are involved with a breed club.

Where the breed is much larger numerically and the biggest percentage of breeders are not involved with the clubs this is almost impossible.

So the KC provide the information anyone can use it. They cannot force it to be a requirement of registration as they would cost too much legally to do and many never succeed.

One would believe from other posters that there is nothing wrong in the show world.

rune

The KC is a 'private' registry. They can change any rules they like!

rune

The KC is a dog club - albeit a very large dog club - and as such, surely they have the right to set/change their own rules and guidelines as they see fit???? Similarly, it is up to the KC to set the requirement for registration and if that is lacking, then it certainly does need changing.

How could the Law become involved with the rules governing a dog club?? How could the KC be taken to court if they changed their registration process in an effort to promote the health and well-being of dogs?? Genuine questions as I can't imagine how any club - no matter how big or small - can be taken to court for changing their own rules.

The most research that many novice dog owners do is to ensure that their prospective puppy is eligible to be KC registered, wrongly believing that that is some form of guarantee. Most novice owners would have no idea how to look up test results, let alone understand them.

As a very large dog club, my own view is that the KC has a responsibility to dogs and a major part of that responsibility should be to do all that they can to ensure that dogs that are members of their club are healthy.

Any club has to have the full support of its memebers and people registered with that club. The club is not just one person.

With the best will in the world the size of the KC and the number of people who have dogs reistered there is no way they would get 100% agreement.

They have the assured breeders scheme and that has a requiremnt to test amponst other things

They publish all the health test results and which dogs are tested for all to see.

So each individual can make their own educated decision regarding their breeding or buying of their dogs. Its there for all to use free of charge.

I won't even bother with the sly digs