Possibly, in some cases, however I have seen many "names" with unhandlable dogs in the ring, puppies mainly, and even a CC winner shying away but still awarded the CC!!

I absolutely agree, but you have to have decent specimens of both types in the first place. I mean mating a Continental male with an excellen head, to a bitch with a poor head and weak underjaw, would be useless if they both had poor hind angulation. Im back on heads again, its probably the most important "tool" the Dobermann possesses, its the one thing he relies on in most of the work he was designed for, which is why, for me, it needs to be a good one.

Ferris and Mayhem were very different to look at, I dont know if you saw either of them, but I watched them both gain their titles and many a time watched Dave Anderson with Ferris in the "big ring" with him, he floated! (Ferris not Dave!) his movement was perfection, a lot of this has gone too now, with poor angulation, many dogs go up and down on the spot, no reach or drive, which is what I liked about your dog in the photo, he appears to have very good reach and drive.

Mayhem was a standard sized dog, some said Ferris was too big, didnt stop him winning 40 odd CC's though! Mayhem did a lot for the breed in many ways, but like anything else, you can have too much of a good thing.

Can I ask what dog you think is the ideal Dobermann, in your opinion (not your own) and is the most typical of its breed, alive or dead.

I never saw Poseidon saw Chaos though, he was nice. I always liked "Pompie Sea Jade of Chancepixies" she had a beautiful head too.
http://www.pompie.co.uk/index.htm


I just wondered what you thought was an ideal Dobe, not wanting to comment on it, just a dog you liked. of current times, I like "Ch Chancepixies Monopolist" http://www.chancepixies.com/monopolist.htm

Oh forgot, the Dobe I co-own is the one in this section posted by Sue L.

Yes Im going, I organise and run the discover dogs stand for my breed (Border Terrier) Ill put it up on Wednesday, then probably go on the Saturday and the Sunday. Pop by if you get time, I am usually struggling for air by lunchtime as it gets that busy. Best of luck there. Who is doing the Dobes?