Off topic posts /split from 'Disgusted with my trainer' thread

What's wrong with them?

Johan 'The Association of Pet Dog Trainers ' is as suggest by the name dedicated to training pet dogs and their owners using the following methods..


..they do not need or wish to use the 'training aids' and methods listed in my post above, they have other ways of training and remember most people here are not attending training classes in order to teach their dogs protection work or to compete in belgian ring Johan, if you wish to do so using heavy handed methods and aversive techniques that is your choice....

http://www.canineconcepts.co.uk/ccp5...ng-discs.shtml

What's heavy handed about teaching your dog a sound/or a word that means the dog has done something wrong?

PS i don't use them neither a clicker i depend on my voice

Hi Johan

Even introduced properly as a signal purely of non reward, they can cause problems as people with noise sensitive dogs have found out. Also used in class they can affect other dogs, and owners sometimes tend to rely on them too much ... and so on.

In reward based classes they should not be needed

I actually have some in my cupboard but they have never been used and won't be, now

Wys
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Johan I have already answered your question in my post above...

''APDT trainers do not need or wish to use the 'training aids' and methods listed in my post above, they use other methods of training.''

Using training discs is comparable to shaking stones in a bottle, they are aversive methods and can in certain circumstances be misused and cause problems when training dogs and as I said the APDT prefer to teach people attending training classes run by their members to train without resorting to their use .

And e.collars sorry, couldn't help that one



Exactly any form of noise aversion methods , applied to noise sensitive dogs can do more harm than good..

Not to mention other dogs around may also react to the negative method

Any devise can be misused. Even a clicker
And i don't use an e-collar on a puppy

Does that mean that you would use one on a grown dog then?
Elaine

yes i do, but then again i don't train pets

What's the difference then?
Elaine