I don't doubt you did use the collar to teach him a recall.

Funnily enough, while you have that opinion, that it doesn't cure dogs of DA. Lou Castle thinks otherwise. He was very adamant towards me that it would work on ANY dog regardless of their personality and recommended I use one on my DA dog.

We all know that personality plays a big part into training a dog, and a good trainer should be able to base their training around the dogs needs. Unfortunately Lou Castle laughed me out of the forum when I raised that issue with him, that some dogs are more sensitive and wouldn't do well with using the e-collar etc.

*Sigh*

It is others who have told you to use a long line not me, please get your facts right before accusing people.

I'm not sure that's right, Gnasher. Where did you hear that from?

Sorry, but I totally disagree. Yes, I agree that the way to teach a dog not to be aggressive is to keep them calm - but it is not true to say that once they have kicked off, you cannot calm them down!! I have done this with Ben and Tai so many times when a dog has barked at them in the pub, or indeed they have started a barking session. Unless my 2 are different from all other dogs, then I very much beg to differ!!

Sorry if I come across as aggressive. It is terribly difficult when you are in the firing line and no-one is listening to what you are saying - or at least listening, but just not accepting what you are saying as the truth!! You will have to take my word for it of course that my boys are so happy. Unless I can get a video of them, but I have no idea how to use my mobile phone as a camera so it will be difficult.

You asked me how long it took and I answered you I never suggested your dog would be able to grasp the concept that mine have, mine have never seen us be anything but gentle with them consequently they are gentle souls too. Our previous Duncan had baggage from before we had him all the dogs we have had from puppies have been gentle souls. I truly believe how we treat them forms their characters and letting them only be treated gently creates gentle characters.

There was a bloke in Wales you was fined £2,000 - as far as I am aware, the poor dog was not punished. How could that be fair!

Well shocking them isn't fair either but you support that.

Well, I will say that he is wrong. The last thing you want to do iz to zap a dog who is fighting with another dog - all that would happen is that the dog who is being zapped will think it is the other dog who is doing that to him, and will up the anti even more! Silly man.

I agree too that not all dogs would suit an e collar by any manner or means. It is horses for courses.

Of course it's fair, it's the owner that should be punished, as you would if yup used your device in Wales

Yes I do, because I think it is entirely fair to give the dog a chance for the first time in his life of having a happy, normal life - OFF LEAD!!