So a person whom threatens to commit suicide, or ''suicide by cop'' has no mental issues, of course they do as it sure isn't rational thinking! I think personally there were a whole lot of reasons that caused that man to snap some of which haven't been mentioned.

I posted way back before, that I have friends that use steroids but they are certainly most not drug fueled crazy lunatics with no control that go on the rampage threatening to kill themselves, or threaten ''suicide by cop'' or threaten to kill or harm others - I posted some evidence of a study carried out and although there is evidence to suggest that they effect your health (which I know to be fact, as we also have a friend that used them now in renal failure), there was hardly any evidence to suggest that steroids turn people into cold blooded murderers - what the evidence did suggest was :-


He possibly did have a ''strong'' ''stubborn'' type of personality which steroids as said above could have enhanced, but they certainly cannot be held accountable for everything he did, or I'd better be watching out

When I say "drugs" I think he took more than a few steroids quite honestly, something a bit stronger I think! Even pot can affect the brain, make them paranoid, let alone what stronger drugs can do, I know this coz I'm an avid fan of Jeremy Kyle lol!

Wasn't he a bit of a drug dealer as well as a bouncer? I am sure I heard that on the news.

What do you think of the brother (who hadn't spoken to Moat in a few years) now complaining that the police wouldn't let him go down and speak to him!

was'nt it the uncle?

Either way - I think anything should have been tried to get him to give up and do the right thing, putting the gun down and handing him self in.
If the uncle/brother thought he could calm him down, and talk him into giving himself up and doing the right thing, Its defo something imo that should have been put to Moat. Maybe it was? I dont know.
and have'nt spoke to him in a few years means nothing, family is family, and will/should always look out for each other. I guess the uncle/brother who ever he was, wanted to see a calm ending for all involved and justice brought to Moat just like us, If he could help do that well he showed he was willing to.

I do find it some what mad that Moat is getting all this support though. Dont get me wrong I am not and have never supported him, what he done was vile and he should have lived with that for the rest of his life. Not take his life as an easy way out.
There are FB groups supporting him! Its very disturbing, and the familes that have been affected by this man will have to live with these memories for a life time.

I saw an article on the BBC website saying that he was most likely a paranoid narcissist. In which case he had a personality disorder which is in the DSMIV which is the psychiatrist's bible. So that would indicate he had a mental illness.

The uncle was the first one who said he was upset he hadn't been allowed to go down, and now Moat's older brother is saying the same. They apparently both contacted police and asked to go and speak to Moat. Unfortunately, for obvious reasons, the police can't allow members of the public (whether relatives or not) to be put into danger. The fact that Raoul Moat was ranting about having no family and had apparently been estranged from his family for years, could also mean that seeing or hearing from members of that family could have acted in tipping him over the edge, whereupon he may have tried to take others lives as well as his own.

As Helena54 pointed out, Moat himself never asked for any of his family members but instead asked for one of his friends to go down.

Just reading through some of these posts about Moat and his end - and I am amazed that Helena54 and Claire and Daisy do not think this man was mentally ill. Helena said that he "was more like a drugged up crazed lunatic so her words are saying that she does think he was mentally ill.

While I don't agree at all with anyone who would defend or support Moat's actions, as I'm sure none of us do here, it is only by trying to understand why he did what he did that our knowledge can grow. If we knew what drove him to these terrible acts then perhaps some system could be put into place to prevent this kind of atrocity from happening again, a system that will save lives in the future. The fact is that he WAS a person, he was born into this world a blank slate the same as you or I, and unless you believe that some people are born inherently evil (I don't, personally; I believe that different personalities are affected by childhood trauma in different ways and thus some have a lower threshold at which they can become 'evil') this could have been prevented somewhere down the line. Even if the only thing examining his actions achieves is higher levels of scrutiny and psychological examination for those leaving prison, then surely it is worth it?

This post really sums up my feelings on the situation.

Yes, to both of those Kirsty, so he was definitely taking something.

I've just seen the interview with that brother, who hasn't seen him for years of course Hmmmm, compensation??????? They'll be lucky!!!!! He said because of the weather, the long grass, if they had fired the tazer gun which they did, it would have sent massive electric shocks through his body causing muscle spasms to make him pull that trigger I'm hoping upon hope, that it is proved that the tazer gun didn't get anywhere near him, and that is possibly WHY nothing has shown up on the autopsy to that effect, and that's possibly WHY, the family want another autopsy (done at our expense of course), so that they might have a possible claim if it does!

No, drugs TURN you into a drugged up crazed lunatic sometimes, depending upon the effect they have on you, they affect different people in different ways at different times. When you stop taking the drug, you're back to normal until you take some more is my guess, same as when you're drunk. Mental illness is totally different, it's a permanent thing in your psyche, but of course, we'll never know that know coz he can't be interviewed!