thanks.

she was most of that. She still has some compulsive repetitive behaviours, but we love her the way she is now

Aye and a lot of work needed to get anywhere toward improvement methinks

Steve
If you start a thread saying
3 simple steps to behavioural problems
did you not expect that people wouldnt agree with all your methods
To me it sounds v arrogent to post that and then get p!ssed off because people are not going
'Oh thank you so much that is fantastic why didnt I think of that?'
The thread has caused debate and people have put forward other ideas - which will make it more balanced for other people

Also if you dont put something in your post then you cannot be offended if someone brings it up
If you are starting a thread like this it is gonna be aimed at helping people who do not know the basics - because if they dont know a dog needs exercise then why do you take it as read that that same person will know that of course they should go to a vets 1st
Its not nitpicking - its helping for inexperienced people to read
so if you dont want people to assume then fill in the blanks
and if you miss something and someone else fills it in just have the good grace to thank them for making your post more compleate instead of taking it as a personal attack

I am sorry to hear there are so many lurkers here who do not value the likes of patch and feel the cowerdly need to hide behind pm's rather than take the time to construct helpful posts that are there for all to read
hmm let me think who the troll in that situation is

I am saddend that you have taken debate the wrong way and now you have your back up and taken dislike to people you have never met
I am learning lots and lots from these 'gods'!!! and I am sure you would have had some things to share too - but at the moment you are comming across as you know it all cos you have studied it and you are not even taking the time to find out the wealth of knowladge that other people might have

But if you feel that strongly and are that closed minded then there is always the ignore button! but you will be missing out on lots


Oh Patch - that dogs sounds a lot like a rescue collie - wasnt one of yours was it?? coulda been an interesting debate of what different methods coulda been tried

In your posts that seems to be the case, I just wish you could see that it`s what you have been doing since you arrived, this is everyone`s forum for everyone`s dogs, Dogsey does not exist to be about you you you

Again, research into that is hard to come by and is largely unproven by the mainstream.

Wrong question, can wolves eat vegetables? yes. I never for one second said anything that contradicts that dogs are more predominently meat eaters than leaf eaters. Yet, judging by some of the replies, it suggests that I had done so.

As always, I'm open enough to listen and to be recorrected, as long as it is not done in some sort of condescending way, which is what I have mainly objected to in this thread.


Correct, but when people start giving me hypothetical situations as 'tests', whilst insulting me and my ability, I get rather annoyed by people trying to change the subject to me as a trainer, as opposed to the discussion in hand.

Fair enough, it's what I feed my dog and as a result, I'll look into it further, but from what I have gathered, is that people are put off the product because its tested on animals. They did so without any proof and they made a statement that so vehemently disagreed with mine, based on ethical grounds, that upto the point, I hadn't heard of. If it is indeed true, then I'll change my own dog's diet and wean him onto something else, however, I haven't heard anything that suggests the practice method of that product and I haven't had any negative experience with my own dog (or any other dog that I recommended* the owner to buy for)

If only others had the same approach as you, I doubt I would have gotten half as worked up on this forum.

I was advised to get it by someone who I actually trust on their nutrition values, as such, I'll pass the info on to her next time I see her to quiz her. I go by a balanced diet criteria, Chinook also seems to eat less of this particular brand than others.

That to me is a bit unfair, I haven't tried to turn anybody's comments around and I haven't asked anyone for their qualifications/experience as I find it highly irrelevant.

And if I was to start weaning my dog on raw food, I would also do the same, so there's nowt to argue about there.

Dare I say it, another assumption?

Look, I didn't join this place to cause arguments, I would much prefer to be learning from most of the people that I seem to constantly be clashing with. Sadly, I don't appreciate the tone in which they are giving information and I don't like the fact that I am more often than not, arguing on this forum as opposed to learning.

Yes I'm stubborn and I think some people here spend way too much up on their high horses that they think they have the immediate right to say "you're wrong" without backing it up.

But I also learn exceedingly quickly and I'm open minded enough to take on board things that I may not understand right away, but again, I don't appreciate in how a lot of the information is given and I rarely tolerate people so pedantic who are just trying to spoil for a fight, forcing their opinions down mine, and anyone who is reading, throat like some deranged Jehovah's witness hellbent on conforming everyone to their own thinking.

I simply started a thread as a helpful post and I have been insulted, made fun of and unfairly questioned for doing so. I know it was a discussion, but frankly, if this is how discussions on Dogsey takes place, then I'd rather find another forum to learn from as well as try and help on.

Give us some tips for sorting the hypothetical one Hali, I beg you, pleeeeeze

What can I say, the quotey thingeys don't always play the same game as me

Ok - Im sorry I assumed were all at it
And glad you are open to learning and what other people say - some of your posts make it sound like that is not the case - again assumptions
But that is the problem on forums - we cannot tell tone or anything
some of the posts that have offended you I have read in totaly different ways because I have more experience of them (dont know them from Adam - or you )
Their posts sound high horsed to you and your sound the same way to them so everyone has their backs up

Again, too many condescending and patronising remarks put me off reading most of that thread. Especially seeing as I think your point in that thread was for me not to be condescending and patronising?....

I dunno, maybe I missed the original point.

Here's me politely disagreeing to agree. It would seem that many people in this forum are more than happy to carry on with the debate/argument, but I really have lost all interest in this thread and possibly this forum.

So here's me bowing out of this thread, I'm glad the original purpose of the message helped some out, made the post somewhat worthwhile me writing.

I want to know how everyone would sort it out! I find it interesting the way people use different methods Maybe you could post it seperately Patch, as poor hypothetical dog is getting drowned out here