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morganstar
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02-08-2008, 12:17 PM
Rearing indoors is not always possible with the big breeds, it doesnt make them any less cared for. AS long as they health test the pups are kept clean and warm and well fed, AND get companionship and socialisation I dont feel it makes any difference.
I've bought dogs that were kennel reared and the only difference I could see was they took slightly longer to house train.
Also not all home reared pups are well treated, as someone else has commented on the post abuot puppy farms.
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02-08-2008, 12:24 PM
I disagree, if a breeder doesn't have the space indoors to accommodate their dogs allowing their dogs to live within the pack and the comfort of indoors, large or small, they shouldn't be breeding. Only my opinion.
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02-08-2008, 12:37 PM
Originally Posted by Paddywack View Post
I disagree, if a breeder doesn't have the space indoors to accommodate their dogs allowing their dogs to live within the pack and the comfort of indoors, large or small, they shouldn't be breeding. Only my opinion.


How do you think Big Breeds were Bred years ago?

In the case of the Borzoi thsese were bred in the Kennels of the Tsars in Russia and I do not think it has done the breed any harm.
If you are realistic about this large breeds could not be bred in the size of houses most of us live in today, so if everyone had your opinion this would stop the breeding of large breeds.
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02-08-2008, 12:48 PM
Originally Posted by lovezois View Post
How do you think Big Breeds were Bred years ago?

In the case of the Borzoi thsese were bred in the Kennels of the Tsars in Russia and I do not think it has done the breed any harm.
If you are realistic about this large breeds could not be bred in the size of houses most of us live in today, so if everyone had your opinion this would stop the breeding of large breeds.
Hi Eunice, would you not agree that with a breed such as rottweilers, its better they are raised in the home, so that you know each pups personality, hence when they leave for there new homes you have a far better chance of it being a forever home as you have placed each dog in the best home,
People dont just come to me and pick a pup, I go through everything with them, then we talk about the pups in the litter with the best personality for them, so they may have only two or three pups I think would suit them, I often chose the pup best suited to houses with kids too,
I wouldnt know my pups inside out if they were outside in kennels,
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02-08-2008, 12:50 PM
Originally Posted by lovezois View Post
How do you think Big Breeds were Bred years ago?

In the case of the Borzoi thsese were bred in the Kennels of the Tsars in Russia and I do not think it has done the breed any harm.
If you are realistic about this large breeds could not be bred in the size of houses most of us live in today, so if everyone had your opinion this would stop the breeding of large breeds.
Nope not sure why you would think that. Just because that's what they did years ago doesn't make it right.
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02-08-2008, 12:55 PM
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Nope not sure why you would think that. Just because that's what they did years ago doesn't make it right.
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You are missing the point of my post which was to say if everyone had your opinion there would be no large breeds bred today. You only took from my post what you thought it meant and not what I intended. Please do not try to read my thoughts. I was stating a point.
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02-08-2008, 01:07 PM
Originally Posted by lovezois View Post
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You are missing the point of my post which was to say if everyone had your opinion there would be no large breeds bred today. You only took from my post what you thought it meant and not what I intended. Please do not try to read my thoughts. I was stating a point.
Why would you think that? There are breeders of large breed dogs who keep their dogs as family pets, bred and raised indoors.
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02-08-2008, 04:40 PM
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Hi Eunice, would you not agree that with a breed such as rottweilers, its better they are raised in the home, so that you know each pups personality, hence when they leave for there new homes you have a far better chance of it being a forever home as you have placed each dog in the best home,
People dont just come to me and pick a pup, I go through everything with them, then we talk about the pups in the litter with the best personality for them, so they may have only two or three pups I think would suit them, I often chose the pup best suited to houses with kids too,
I wouldnt know my pups inside out if they were outside in kennels,
Hi Shona as I don't breed I am talking from a buyers point of view and in my experience there has been no difference in having got a puppy from a kennels and one that is home reared.. at the end of the day the breeders both had the puppies best interest at heart and were ethical and responsible breeders and and that to me is what is important. as at the end of the day as I say there was no difference between the puppies. They don't have to be bred in the home for the breeder to want what is best for their puppies and for the breeder to go through everything with the prospective new owner, to make sure the new forever home really is forever i,n fact one of my dog's breeders has six kis and though the puppies were kennel reared they were used to children and she knows every puppy in the litter as she spends a lot of time out in the kennels with them.

So as I said in my original post I personally don't find any difference between a home or a kennel bred pup, which is really what the original poster was asking.
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02-08-2008, 05:34 PM
Well, to be honest, when I was "dog-hunting", I never really considered anything but "a bog-standard Orkney farm collie", and nobody here breeds them actively - I reckon that 99.9% of them are "accidents". They're born, like Moobli's, in barns, with little or no supervision (they get their area, food and water, and that's about it ). Matching of puppy to new owner is rare (in the case of me and Kali, it was intense, though ), and they go off to their new farm homes as soon as they can leave Mum. Kali and his siblings had a little daily time in the house (in a cardboard box!), but stayed in the barn the rest of the time. When I picked Kali (or rather, he picked me) I was asked what I was going to call him - so that the farm family could accustom him to it.

Both TZBCs were born and weaned in the presence of cattle and sheep, and both TZBCs are terrified of them (which, oddly, is a good thing around about Snorri Mansions )

Farm-born they may be, but, having acquired the names of Norse noblemen, they think they ARE noblemen

I don't think their early days made much difference, in the long run - they found it easy to accept a life of comfort!

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