Seems to me a lot of the e-collar chat is sugar coated to make it sound acceptable...
"stim" = electric shock
"discomfort" = pain
I'm sure everyone can read between the lines so you might as well call it what it is!

And of course, as has been said many times, the level of pain/discomfort/sensation varies from dog to dog, and even within the same dog depending on the circumstances under which the shock is administered. So it's really quite useless & ridiculous to say that that devices like shock collars only cause discomfort. And then to say that you can tell the level of "discomfort" by observing the dog's behaviour is just as difficult because the behaviour also varies from dog to dog, & within that same dog.

The only way to ensure that the dog does not experience pain/discomfort/sensation is not to use one of these devices in the first place!

He has gone.

Thank you so much mods.

rune

Can we hide this thread somewhere that he wont be able to find on his return

Get's my vote x x

Yes! THANK YOU MODS! We love you guys!!!!!

thankyou!!!!!! & Breatheeeeeeee

Couldn't we hide ALL the threads?

rune

~Wys
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Please dontsay hes comin back? isnt he gone forever?