I didn't realise that dogs have qualifications and you have to be some sort of a professor to bring a dog up the right way. If you are familiar with Barbara Woodhouse's teachings, you will see that her teachings were nothing short of bullying, remember she promoted the choker chain collar which I hate, but I suppose she's right because she has qualifications. I think what you need is a qualification in common sense because reading your quote you seem to lack it.

I think you are being extremely rude.

My take on dominance aggression.

I would say 50% of what people think of as dominance aggression is just misreading of dog's body language and lack of knowledge of normal canine behaviour.

Another 40% is not dominance but down to some form of anxiety in the dog and often related to insufficient socialisation.

Perhaps 8% is physical in that the dog is suffering discomfort or pain, often chronic low level pain, and that's enough to make anyone aggressive!

Think that leaves about 2%. Those are the rare dogs that despite good socialisation and 100% health are still loaded guns at the end of a lead! I'm usually all for trying to work out a dog's motivation but for these cases debating if they are truly trying to be dominant is a tad academic. If it looks like a duck and it waddles like a duck and it quacks a like a duck... lets call it a duck. The pressing issue is strategies to modify behaviour.

They can be trained; they can make good companion dogs for those who know what they’re doing but any complacency and you’re going to come seriously unstuck.

and u seem to lack diplomacy!!

c and d has a wealth of experience with dogs and not one trained by harsh methods...i suggest u read through other threads before coming to unfounded conclusions!!

Ask yourself about the comments that you made, I don't like being called a bully but you quote that bringing the dog back into a calm submissive state is bullying, so lets call it one all. I have never practised or advised someone to bully a dog into submission, those practises went out with the ark. I have been using my techniques for along time and I'm not a bully!!

What is this becoming? a court marshall maybe, if you don't like quotes that offend I suggest you don't make them yourselves!! I enjoyed joining this site and I thought that sharing problems and trying to give helpful advice to one another was normal, well it looks like I was wrong, you people are nothing but hypocrites!! so I will be advising the moderator and will not be using this site again.

!!Oh and for your information all my dogs are pampered!!!

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Hi there
I think the problem here is the terms you are using
rather than talking about the human making themselves the leader and the dogs 'valm submissive' could you please explain what methods you would use for this?
While I do not agree that dogs think of us as pack leaders I think some people who use these terms have kind effective methods to train their dogs - and whether or not we agree with why something is working if it does work and it is fair on the human and the dog then I cant see anyone having an issue with that

again 'calm submissive' tends to ring warning bells with people also because as far as I have seen the only person in the public eye using them terms uses them to describe dogs who are anything but - dogs who have been wrestled to the ground or flooded and bullied to the point that they shut down

If you could describe the methods you use that would help people understand what you mean, otherwise all we have is the methods of the person who has coined the phrases

C&D from her posts on this forum is a v knowladgeble kind fair dog training as far away from woodhouse as you can get

No I am not a respected dog trainer, just an owner who has never used bullying techniques on my dogs. For alot of years now I have watched the expressions that dogs make and by reading books by qualified trainers I have come to an understanding that common sense states that school teacher attitudes don't always work. Oh and by the way, I have been using the calm assertive way well before the Dog Whisperer came on the scene. Anyway I hope this answers your question and any of my help and opinions I will keep to myself from now on.

What comments? I have only made one post on this thread - Message #12 - when I said

Sorry SMILEY old son, but I did not say that.

You obviously cannot read as well as being extremely rude.

I repeat. I have only made one post on this thread - Message #12 - when I said

It appears that your education with regarding to reading and comprehensions skills is as lacking as your manners.

I believe you owe me an apology for quoting me as saying something I did not say.

As you obviously have no idea about quoting, I will repeat one more time.

I have only made one post on this thread - Message #12 - when I said

I think you are being extremely rude.