never used bakers but phoebe used to have pedigree and it made her really hyper

What do you feed now?

Although the GSD has Skinners I had difficulty finding a food in the UK that one of the CPs would eat hence the CPs are on Pedigree small dog vitality they do not get anymore hyper than they did before being an active working breed

Ingredients
cereals (min4% rice, min4% maize, min4% wheat)
meat and animal derivatives (min 4% chicken in brown kibble, min 4% meat juices)
oils & fats(min 0.2% fish oil)
derivatives of vegetable origin(min 3% dried beet pulp)
vegetable protein extracts
minerals
vegetables (min 4% carrots in orange kibble, min 4% beans in green kibble)
protein 27%
oil 15%
ash 8% (calcium, phosphorous, iron)
fibre 2.5%
omega 6 fatty acids 2.7%
omega 3 fatty acids 0.27%
vit A 9000 IU/kg
vit D3 900 IU/kgvit E 180mg/kg
total copper as copper sulphate 15mg/kg
with permitted antioxidants, preservatives and colourants (permitted EC additives)

james wellbeloved turkey and veg shes much more manageable now. i do think your dog has to be a bit hyper to start of with for food to make it worse, as she has always been a bit nuts

I have to say, I don't like Bakers or similar foods, BUT when Jake came home, he was on Bakers. And it had absolutely no affect on him at all... no hyperness or anything like that.

Rupe was on Bakers at one point and it didn't seem to make him hyper either. Then again he was a loon and bouncing off the walls at that time in his life anyway so I don't think I'd have noticed. It didn't cause any problems with Shadow and Wolf when they had it either. I do know people who've seen a massive change in their dogs behaviour simply from switching them from Bakers to something else though.

Raw on the other hand has given Rupert sooooo much more energy that it's been a bit of a shock to the system He's not hyper, he's just not the couch potato I've been used to for the last 4 or 5 years.

Interesting because in your other post on another thread you said:

we use royal canin at the kennels i work, my boss rates it very high. but my dog a bullmastiff was allergic to it and when i looked in to it i saw how many cards were in it a saw why.

And when you see the ingredients of the brand you prefer how much fewer carbs are in this compared to Royal Canin?

Bearing in mind that after the turkey meal the two single largest ingredients are carbs (pea starch and potato flakes) they you have linseed, peas, alfalfa, carrot and chicory pulp I have to wonder how much more carbs are in RC?

Cos by my calculation there is a MINIMUM of 51% carbohydrate in this food? But if you look at tha analysis there is at LEAST 65% carbs?

Just curious as to how that fits in with your "anti carb" stance

Composition:turkey meal, pea starch, potato flakes, tomato pomace, whole linseed, turkey fat, turkey gravy, peas, alfalfa meal, natural seaweed, carrot, chicory pulp, omega oil supplement, potassium chloride, parsley, nettle, chicory extract, sodium chloride, calcium carbonate, glucosamine, chondroitin, yucca extract

Minimum levels:turkey (26%), pea (26%), potato (20%), linseed (4%), turkey gravy (2%), alfalfa (1%), seaweed (0.5%), yucca extract (0.02%), chicory extract (0.1%), glucosamine (0.02%), chondroitin (0.02%), parsley (0.1%), nettle (0.1%)Additives per kg: antioxidants: E306/Natural antioxidant, 150mg, Vitamins: E672/Vitamin A, 15.000 iu, E671/Vitamin D3, 2,250 iu, Trace elements: E1/iron, 40mg, E2/iodine, 2mg, E4/copper, 5mg, E5/manganese, 25mg, E6/zinc, 100mg, E8/selenium, 0.2mg

Analytical Constituents: protein 21.0%, crude fibres 4.8%, fat content 10.5%, crude ash 7%, Vitamin E 150mg/kg, omega-3 fatty acids 1.1%, omega-6 fatty acids 2.7%



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its not an anti carb stance - i followed the advice given on here about going grain free. ive worded it poorly its more grains im trying to avoid